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John, thanks for the enlightenment on the Scheel keel. I am just not sure I am there yet. A couple of years ago I wouldn't even look at anything unless it was full keel, Crealock designed. I liked how he improved Archer's Westsail 32 and the Cabo Rico 38 was (and still is) my fantasy boat with it's cut away full keel, skeg-hung rudder and aperture-protected prop. Then I discovered Pacific Seacrafts, definitely Crealock, but with a blend of Perry and Valiant down below. I liked them, he was evolving and bringing performance into play. But a funny-looking bulb is a huge leap. Next, you'll be telling me someone wants to take a "bite" out of a full keel!

Blowinstink, great info on the CD33 and 330. I said early on they may be the best bang for the buck. And from a quality perspective, they are built much better than your average production boat. I know the builder took the 40 and 36 molds to Robinhood in Maine and has built a few. Did he take the 33 as well? Is there any support there for the Cape Dorys? I appreciated your comments on the Orion and the Shannon, too.

Guys, my last boat was twin screw with counter rotating props. I turned on a dime and could do a 360 in the boat's length. Now, I have come to realize that was cheating!

Thanks all.

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Oops...On the Cabo Rico it is a cut-away "forefoot" and an "attached" rudder. I should read these things before I post them!

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Blowinstink, great info on the CD33 and 330. I said early on they may be the best bang for the buck. And from a quality perspective, they are built much better than your average production boat. I know the builder took the 40 and 36 molds to Robinhood in Maine and has built a few. Did he take the 33 as well? Is there any support there for the Cape Dorys? I appreciated your comments on the Orion and the Shannon, too.

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The 33 is not in production anywhere AFAIK. I don't know who owns the molds (there is a section on the whereabouts of various production equipment on the CD owner's site but I think it is vague on the 33). There is ongoing support for some CD parts (spars, fittings, hardware) but that's it unless you sail a 36 or a 40. The owner's group is extremely helpful and friendly. Quality is an interesting issue. It'll mean so much more once you've been aboard and poked around (and then so much more again when you've had to take stuff apart and / or put it back together). Finish is one thing, construction techniques another, engineering yet another. I understand that Ericsons and PSC's were made at the same facility for quite a while and I think they are both well made and engineered, but the finish on the PSC is what you initially notice and focus on (until the underlying issues reveal themselves . . .). I have been extremely impressed with trhe CD -- except of course for a few occassions when I was surprised and disappointed! I imagine that some variation of that experience is common among all of these boats. Again, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the boats you are considering. Really what we all want is John's boat

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I just wanted to re-iterate Killarney's footnote about the Mark Ellis designed Aloha 32 also being an attractive, if smaller and less exspansive option if you like what the Niagara 35 offers.

I personally love the Niagara 35 (and Aloha 32) because of it's good looks, seaworthy reputation, strong build quality, good value and unique and practical cabin layout. However, my wife doesn't care for the Mark I without a proper v-berth. The quarter berths are really only suitable for one person each, which means our family (2 parents, 2 kids) would still end up using the salon settees as berths, which is one of the reasons we'd like to go bigger than our current boat in the first place.

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Blowinstink, by "John's boat", I assume you mean the PSC 31. Great boat! Another one out of my price range. I appreciate the follow-up on the CD. I am not sure the Admiral will go for the single berth forward. That's why we like yours, the 330.

Kwaltersmi, thanks for chiming in on the Niagara and the Aloha. I can go either way on the V-berth. They are great in the slip and at anchor, but underway...forget about it! We might be able to make those aft berths work on the Mark I. Plus, I like the head being further aft. The trade off is the saloon becomes smaller and a little closed-in. Hey, there are trade offs with all boats. I think the Niagara might have inched into the lead on my wish list!

In regard to federal documentation, my Post was documented, the Tiara was not. It has been 25 years since the Post. I vaguely recall something about a requirement that documented boats be manufactured in the USA. Is this a requirement? If it is and I go with the Niagara, what would be the downside of not being able to federally document?

Again, thanks to all for your knowledgeable input. It is a tremendous help.

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Annapolis trip did not happen. We were originally scheduled to see 5 boats starting with our first choice, the Shannon 28, which was the broker's listing. I called the broker two days before just to make sure the plans were on track. Broker informed me that the Shannon had gone under contract and since the other 4 vessels were not their listings they were not going to show them to us. Apparently, our $60,000 budget was not high enough to allow an acceptable commission if they had to co-broker.

I tried to salvage the trip by calling the broker that represented our second choice, the Niagara. This vessel had a new engine, new sails, new awlgrip - it looked like a great buy. Alas, the broker informed me that she had a soft deck and soft hull.

With no appointments and our two favorites out of the running, it did not make sense to make the trip. We were disappointed, but hey, we will keep looking and maybe find something even better. And just maybe...it will be for sale by owner!

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I am looking at a Shannon 28, keep coming back to that boat. Anybody out there tell me if teh traveller position in the cockpit is awkward and if it is what is the feasibilty of a cabintop mounted traveller? is there enough room to mount it there withour adversley impacting the rigging
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There is less load on a cockpit traveler than one on the cabin top. Also easier for a singlehander to adjust if it's in the cockpit.

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This is just a guess, but another consideration may be that the Shannon was designed to be a true cutter with the mast farther aft than the mast on a sloop. At 28 feet, if its traveler were put on the cabin top, it would be sheeted on the boom about a third of the way from the mast. I am not sure that is possible let alone effective. Again, I am just guessing.

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