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411 on C&C 27 Mk V

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Re: 411 on C&C 27 Mk V

C&C build quality is good.
Speed is OK, its a good PHRF boat for its class if sailed well. It'll still finish behind the "racers" S2, J, B, etc, but it will be ahead of the Catalinas, Hunters, and Odays.

I think within that list the C&C and the S2s are similar in build quality and finish.

To me the C&C 27 is a true/good racer/cruiser playing both sides of course means master of neither. For a lot of us, that is OK.

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Re: 411 on C&C 27 Mk V

Will sailing better than the B too. C&C will Point better than most similar sized boats and is not only a champ in light air but good off the wind too. A good sailor can be competitive with the J and Cals. Very tight and responsive steering

Comfort for cruising better than most except the Catalina. C&C and good dual purpose boa.


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Re: 411 on C&C 27 Mk V

Oh ok that's interesting about light air. I somehow from somewhere got the impression it struggled a little in those conditions which is what we gots lots of here. Guess it needs a big genny but I optimize for single handing so am thinking 135-140ish deck sweeper on furler and then code 6 main (big roach) with assortment of asso. off sprit.

Might even freak out and lose the inboard for electric out board. I like not pulling a buncha' junk throught the water....
And I like what I read about S2 build/performance but just can't wrap my head around that interior.....

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Re: 411 on C&C 27 Mk V

When’re do you sail?
What are you sailing now?h
C&C are notorious for being good light air boats

Not sure how you can even compare. The S2 interior. Looks like IKEA on a diet. No headroom Choppy.

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If you are racing, then the S2 7.9 is a logical choice, its sails well to its rating and is a much faster boat. It also is hard to get one as inexpensive as the C&Cs usually are. the 7.9 is a 26 foot boat, not 27 and is significantly lighter/smaller, but again if racing is the primary focus, it'd serve you better.

The comparison was only for racing quality, and build quality.

If you want something quick, sails well to its rating, and is the same size, on the fast side, a Laser 28 (which I think are ugly, but they are fast as heck), or on the cruiser side, the J28, which still stands up well and sails well, but is heavy and prefers wind.

The C&C is good in light air due to a masthead rig,with an implied a 155 genoa. If one compares waterlines and displacement numbers, a similarly sized boat, the masthead rigs will generally do better in light air than fractionals (always exceptions mind you).

For the record, I doubt the C&C would outpoint the S2. I've found very little that would outpoint it. Once dialed in the S2 7.9 will point like a J80 (nope better).

Oh and if you look at an S2 27, then you will be more like an apples to apples comparison, and frankly I really like the layout of the 27. Our local club has one that is very nicely maintained, and I'd take it any day over a C&C 27. https://butchpetty.com/S2-Sales-Brochure.html Love it when folks setup websites for their boats and keep the brochures.

That being said, the C&C 27 is probably in the top 3 boats in the 27-28 foot range I'd love to own. My money would be on a J28, but only cause the cockpit layout is what I'd prefer. The thing I don't like about the C&C and the S2s is the transom hung rudder. I loved the control and bite I got with a nice deep spade at that size. Hell have one on my Wavelength and the boat steers with 2 fingers. The S2 always seemed to load up quickly with heel.

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If you are racing, then the S2 7.9 is a logical choice, its sails well to its rating and is a much faster boat. It also is hard to get one as inexpensive as the C&Cs usually are. the 7.9 is a 26 foot boat, not 27 and is significantly lighter/smaller, but again if racing is the primary focus, it'd serve you better.

The comparison was only for racing quality, and build quality.

If you want something quick, sails well to its rating, and is the same size, on the fast side, a Laser 28 (which I think are ugly, but they are fast as heck), or on the cruiser side, the J28, which still stands up well and sails well, but is heavy and prefers wind.

The C&C is good in light air due to a masthead rig,with an implied a 155 genoa. If one compares waterlines and displacement numbers, a similarly sized boat, the masthead rigs will generally do better in light air than fractionals (always exceptions mind you).

For the record, I doubt the C&C would outpoint the S2. I've found very little that would outpoint it. Once dialed in the S2 7.9 will point like a J80 (nope better).

Oh and if you look at an S2 27, then you will be more like an apples to apples comparison, and frankly I really like the layout of the 27. Our local club has one that is very nicely maintained, and I'd take it any day over a C&C 27. https://butchpetty.com/S2-Sales-Brochure.html Love it when folks setup websites for their boats and keep the brochures.

That being said, the C&C 27 is probably in the top 3 boats in the 27-28 foot range I'd love to own. My money would be on a J28, but only cause the cockpit layout is what I'd prefer. The thing I don't like about the C&C and the S2s is the transom hung rudder. I loved the control and bite I got with a nice deep spade at that size. Hell have one on my Wavelength and the boat steers with 2 fingers. The S2 always seemed to load up quickly with heel.
I tend to disagree. If you measure the phrf the S2 is 8-12 seconds per mile faster in the handicap races. That really not MUCH faster. The pointing ability of most C&C is well known as are their build quality.

Go inside both....there is no comparison.

PHRF ratings are based on comparable. The C&C doesn’t carry the 155 in those ratings

Not as many S2 as C&c so finding one in great shape may be more difficult if the interior doesn’t turn you off to start comparatively.

You can’t go wrong with either😄


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Re: 411 on C&C 27 Mk V

Ok both S2 7.9 and a C&C Mk V available - which is better single handed?

S2 frac rig w/that big main I hear guys do well with a 105-125 jib. But traveler is shin breaker that makes reaching cabin top controls an ordeal, 'specially in big air.

C&C - masthead means wrestling big genoa around that babystay but traveler on bridgedeck puts everthing to hand.

Oh yeah, in which boat would you rather hit a rock or more likely a lurking log at speed? On a dark and stormy.

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