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I've posted pics. I hope they help. I will take a video this weekend as promised. Please let me know if you need close ups of anything.
wow. you really went above and beyong. labels on the pics, even! thanks. i saved them to my computer to refer to as needed. does yours havean adjustable back stay?
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so, neither of you think it's a good idea to use the furler to reef but it's good to have one to furl up the sail, when striking the jib? michael, thanks for posting the pics. i will takle a look at them in just a min. a recommendation on a good furler would be great. is there a type of furling system where you don't have to modify your head sail? i suppose that's not a huge issue. i have quite a few extra sails, that they put in the boat for me. i am sure that i can get some barter mileage out of them.
I use my furler to reef all the time and the old salty dawgs of LM captains I learned from also used them to reef. I would think its what ever floats your boat. I'll get you the specs on the unit I have. I contacted the installer and its bolt on unit without any further adjustments to the sail. Let me know when you get to that point and I will send you a piece of hardware that will save you AT LEAST 40,000 grey hairs.
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wow. you really went above and beyong. labels on the pics, even! thanks. i saved them to my computer to refer to as needed. does yours havean adjustable back stay?
You're welcome - let me know if you need the original images. They are 2.4mb each with high resolution which will allow you to zoom in so close you can see a gnats arse! Sailnet obviously has something against gnats arses and wouldn't let me upload them; or, could be the size restriction. Not sure.
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you guys are right. there was a motor. the fuel cap is where you said it would be. the shaft is still in the boat. it wasn't glassed over. i didn't get a chance to see if it still turns. it was getting dark fast and i wanted to get that hatch on there. the motor mounts are still there. i think it must have been removed because it stopped working. the outboard mount is a nice one, not just a piece of wood bolted to the transom.

anyhow, does te shaft still being there give me any options to put in an inboard, that would be cost effective? or should i just go with an outboard?

and, if i do just opt for the outboard, should i remove the shaft, when it is hauled, and glass the hole shut? do i have to worry about the shaft being a leak threat?
Wow - Lots of good stuff to chew on here! Well, if I were in your position, I would find this an awesome opportunity to do a cost comparison. Lets look at the outboard option:

Outboard: You'll need to purchase an outboard. You'll need to do something about that shaft as I'll bet my first born there's a prop attached to that and drag on that prop will be a huge drag when you're out sailing and find yourself next to another boat and want to embarrass them in front of their women. As you know, anytime there are two sailboats, its an automatic race. lol

Note: There is a safety consideration to take into consideration. Having a hole in the bottom of your boat that's not being used would really make me nervous, especially if the boat hasn't been used for sailing in a number of years. If you decide to go the way of an outboard, I would get that old shaft removed and glassed over. (add to cost of outboard)

Boat was designed to have an engine. Therefore, you will need to consider the dynamics of the boat and how she will sail without that ballast in place. My Vire weighs about 250lbs plus 200lbs gallons of gas (8lbs per gal x 25 gal)

Replace Inboard: In my opinion, just the cleaner option of the two. A replacement engine probably about 500 bucks. uses existing shaft and prop. Dynamics of the boat stay true. You could use the existing outboard mount for back up engine. Safety is everything.

With that said - I will be interested in seeing how you manage these challenge as there is lots to learn here.
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wow. you really went above and beyond. labels on the pics, even! thanks. i saved them to my computer to refer to as needed. does yours have an adjustable back stay?
My backstay is NOT adjustable and is a YOCH' to thread. Took us 6 grown men, a puppy, and 7 year old to get my twin backstays on. Not fun.
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I use my furler to reef all the time and the old salty dawgs of LM captains I learned from also used them to reef. I would think its what ever floats your boat. I'll get you the specs on the unit I have. I contacted the installer and its bolt on unit without any further adjustments to the sail. Let me know when you get to that point and I will send you a piece of hardware that will save you AT LEAST 40,000 grey hairs.
cool. that wqould be great. bolt on with no sail mods. awesome. what piece of hardware is that?
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My backstay is NOT adjustable and is a YOCH' to thread. Took us 6 grown men, a puppy, and 7 year old to get my twin backstays on. Not fun.
lol. yeah. mine has a set up on it that allows you to tighten or loosen it. it still has the usual turn buckles at the ends of the stays. I have a pic that might show it. let me see...

yes. I do have a pic that shows it:

ok. well that didn't work. internet server error. whatever that means. I will try later.

man. I keep trying to upload that pic but it just can't seem to do it.

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Wow - Lots of good stuff to chew on here! Well, if I were in your position, I would find this an awesome opportunity to do a cost comparison. Lets look at the outboard option:

Outboard: You'll need to purchase an outboard. You'll need to do something about that shaft as I'll bet my first born there's a prop attached to that and drag on that prop will be a huge drag when you're out sailing and find yourself next to another boat and want to embarrass them in front of their women. As you know, anytime there are two sailboats, its an automatic race. lol

Note: There is a safety consideration to take into consideration. Having a hole in the bottom of your boat that's not being used would really make me nervous, especially if the boat hasn't been used for sailing in a number of years. If you decide to go the way of an outboard, I would get that old shaft removed and glassed over. (add to cost of outboard)

Boat was designed to have an engine. Therefore, you will need to consider the dynamics of the boat and how she will sail without that ballast in place. My Vire weighs about 250lbs plus 200lbs gallons of gas (8lbs per gal x 25 gal)

Replace Inboard: In my opinion, just the cleaner option of the two. A replacement engine probably about 500 bucks. uses existing shaft and prop. Dynamics of the boat stay true. You could use the existing outboard mount for back up engine. Safety is everything.

With that said - I will be interested in seeing how you manage these challenge as there is lots to learn here.
well, that list leads to two more questions.

some of these were made for an outboard. do they have more ballast to make up the difference? and...

if the shaft is a leak risk, not being used, do you think it might be a leak problem if I hook a new inboard into it?

I have been looking at electric inboards. no prices yet. probably way too expensive for me.
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Re: looking for past or present owners of 1970 through 73 cal 27s

one thing I wish the boat did have is a topping lift. I really don't know if it's worth all the effort of trying to ascend the mats to put one on it, though.
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one thing I wish the boat did have is a topping lift. I really don't know if it's worth all the effort of trying to ascend the mats to put one on it, though.
Yeah - The topping lift is super nice; especially when you bring the main down. Whats keeping your boom up now? I think sooner or later you will need to de-mast to have a look at your steaming lights and blocks at the top of the mast. Mine needed serious cleaning and steaming lights needed to be reworked. But, I think If you plan it correctly, you can do it all at once. I run three sheets. Main, Jib, and Spinnaker.
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