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Re: Preplanning your charter route

I have not and probably will not charter in the VI's... but I've sailed past / thru them and spent a couple of weeks in Tortola before I was a sailor.

A charter is a limited time with the same starting and ending destination... and in the case of the VI's lots of islands/anchorages to visit with usually great weather and wind. As Minni suggested get out a cruising guide... determine which destinations/anchorages appeal to you... guesstimate the times to get to that location from the one you are... and then wing it. Some like the shore side stuff of whatever flavor... others the great sailing... and some like both. If you haven't figured which you like... once you jump in you'll figure it out pretty soon... and you'll discover there is no right, wrong or best plan. Usually there are more appealing options than time permits... so you'll be thinking about going down again before you've even left!
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Re: Preplanning your charter route

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I think the kindergarten comment is unnecessarily disparaging.
I think you kinda missed the point of the comment.
For many, this is their first leap into the great unknown beyond their home cruising grounds and the thought can be just as daunting as it is exciting.
However, as you and everyone else has pointed out, most everything is line of sight and one can fully sail to their next island destination in a few hours or less. There are no major currents (Hell Gate anyone?) or tides to deal with. It is almost impossible to run aground unless you are completely incompetent, blind drunk or color blind, never mind can't read a chart or a cruising guide.
Almost all the sailing is between two island groups, therefore you just don't get the big ocean swells sailing the rest of the Caribbean can produce.
So, you may call my comment, which I completely stand by, disparaging, but I'd like to think it would bolster the confidence of those first-timers unsure if their skills are up to the task.
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Re: Preplanning your charter route

Whether it is kindergarten or not, Virgin Island sailing allows you to tailor each day for whatever you feel like when you wake up in the morning. You can get out of the channel and enjoy bigger waves if you want but equally stay in calmer waters. I did not read it as disparaging but suppose it would be possible to read it as suggesting that grown ups don’t sail there. We recently passed through on our way from Antigua back to New England and found it just as appealing as when we used to sail there more of the time.

For anyone who is wondering about North Sound on Virgin Gorda, the Bitter End Yacht Club does not exist in any physical form right now but everything is being built in Central America to be shipped in at the end of the year and they expect to be up and running by start of 2020. Leverick Bay is completely up and running (and Hog Heaven at the top of the hill, with arguably the best views in the Virgin Islands, is still doing the best ribs in the region). Saba Island is mid construction and apparently will be ready for the new season.

Soper’s Hole in the West End is still on its knees. The pervasive smell of sewage seemed to have abated slightly but really best skipped until they have a chance to sort themselves out.

USVI and Puerto Rico (including Culebra and Vieques) are completely up and running - the only real evidence of the hurricanes is the lack of green foliage. At Cruz Bay, the CBP office is still under construction (and customs house on JvD similarly)
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I think you kinda missed the point of the comment.

I'd like to think it would bolster the confidence of those first-timers unsure if their skills are up to the task.
Got it now. Probably a better way to describe that point, as I took it to mean, meant for children.

On the other hand, while many of us would navigate there with a beer in one hand, sandwich in the other and foot on the wheel, I know lifelong sailors that have never sailed outside protected water or ever picked up a mooring. Even competent sailors may find some of the cruising elements foreign enough that planning ahead has more value. I’ve personally sailed, in a gale, in SFD channel, which was spirited. Still, I would not be rigid, nor overestimate the degree of difficulty, which I get was your point.
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Capta, I didn't take the comment as disparaging... I'm on vacation, I want easy and fun. I go myself cause its easy, fun and I can still say, nope, we're staying an extra day, cause those rum punches were S-W-E-E-T!

Its fun to take a challenging sail to, but the spousal unit likely would not agree. BVIs = easy means wife = happy. Also the sailing ain't half bad if you wanna do that too.
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Re: Preplanning your charter route

Speaking only about my experience...The first time that I chartered in the BVI..2005..I bought my own set of waterproof paper charts from Nautical Charts. They came as a set covering the BVI, USVI, and SVI. I had courses laid in with pencil for many scenarios.
There are a few incredibly positive things to be said about this...not the least of which is that it's good Seamanship to have a backup to electronics and Most importantly, to be informed of your waters and its hazards.
But I won't mention that. [HA!]
What I absolutely LOVE..this many years after 3 BVI Charters...is having these charts in my hand..with all of the routes, and corrections, and "Event" notes written on the charts the day that they happened...etc. INow that I own a boat, I may never be able, or want to, charter there again.
There is NO digital equivalent of this...and That makes me smile...
This is also a suggestion to keep a log...be sure to include the mundane and people related ...this is what will matter later.
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I doubt @capta can remember what its like to be doing ones first full week in unfamiliar waters, on an unfamiliar boat, with an excited mob of friends or family bouncing off the walls, just after he has thrown his Credit Card in the deep end with a HUGE fee if he bangs the boat up.

I know plenty of places to bang into there, plus drag the anchor... like, has *anyone* ever anchored in Road Bay and NOT dragged????????????? The fastest way to get from Customs to the Moorings base is to anchor outside Customs!


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Pre-planning takes some of the "fun" out of the adventure. With the exception of Anegada, the sailing is completely easy and line of sight.
"In preparing for battle, I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable."
-- David Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, Supreme Commander Allied Forces Europe, Principle Architect of Operation Overlord and a guy who knew a thing or two about plans.

Accordingly, I plan each cruise, including cruises I've made dozens of times, until I think I'm ready.

Not sure I've ever actually followed a plan, but it wasn't because there was no plan. If nothing else, you won't find me trying to sail against the tide under the Agate Pass Bridge again.

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Re: Preplanning your charter route

No plan has ever survived the first shot in battle. You prepare, but can’t plan.

Or as the philosopher, Mike Tyson, once said, “everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face”


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