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Iíve had my 28-yr old Lavac for the past 22 years. Never had a clog or any other loss of function. The only issue has been periodic maintenance to remove lime scale from the joker valve on the Henderson/Whale bilge pump. Of course, lime scale is an issue with any joker valve. If you donít want to dismantle the pump and soak the joker valve in vinegar, you can use a pump rebuild kit, which is around $50 and includes part that didnít need replacement (and you still have to dismantle the pump.)
It's like Lavacs are some kind of "best kept secret." I can't understand why people keep installing the piston style toilets. I've seen posts where people claim to just replace an entire Jabsco every 2-3 years because they don't want to bother with the disgusting pump rebuild. After 3 Jabsco's, you're near the cost of a Lavac anyway, so why torture yourself?

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I have Jabsco heads on my boat and have never seen why people despise them so much. The maintenance is changing joker valves and occasionally lubing the piston. In 5 years of ownership, I haven't had to rebuild the pump, and if I did, I'd just replace the entire pump assembly since it only sells for about 15 bucks more than a pump rebuild kit. I can't see why people would replace the entire toilet for $160 or so when all the moving parts are in the $80 pump assembly. There's also an appeal to the fact that Jabscos are so common that if you do get in a pinch and need parts, they can be had same day at West Marine or next day with Amazon or Defender. All that said, I can definitely see the appeal to a more elegant solution if we spent a lot more time aboard or entertained a lot of landlubbers aboard, but for weekending and the occasional longer cruise I've found the Jabsco to be satisfactory.
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I have Jabsco heads on my boat and have never seen why people despise them so much. The maintenance is changing joker valves and occasionally lubing the piston. In 5 years of ownership, I haven't had to rebuild the pump, and if I did, I'd just replace the entire pump assembly since it only sells for about 15 bucks more than a pump rebuild kit. I can't see why people would replace the entire toilet for $160 or so when all the moving parts are in the $80 pump assembly. There's also an appeal to the fact that Jabscos are so common that if you do get in a pinch and need parts, they can be had same day at West Marine or next day with Amazon or Defender. All that said, I can definitely see the appeal to a more elegant solution if we spent a lot more time aboard or entertained a lot of landlubbers aboard, but for weekending and the occasional longer cruise I've found the Jabsco to be satisfactory.
It's not just Jabsco's. Several people I know, tell me that they have to rebuild their entire pump assembly at least every 2 years, one person claims he has to do it annually. Some of these people own Jabsco's, one owns a Raritan. I and my buddy who owns a sistership both have Wilcox-Crittenden "Headmate" toilets. We bought our boats within a year of each other, rebuilt our toilets at the same time, and they both failed this month! (About 2 seasons of service). You seem to get better life from your toilet than the rest of us.

The other significant advantage to the Lavac is that it uses much less water. Most people report getting nearly double the amount of days before having to pump out. I'm looking forward to that!

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I have Jabsco heads on my boat and have never seen why people despise them so much.
I'm with you! I have the cheapest model and it has never clogged in 7 years of ownership (we flush out TP) and we have full time cruised with it the past 2 years. We replace the pump assembly yearly because it doesn't make $$$$ sense to rebuild. But thats all we do to it other than clean it. I keep thinking I should "upgrade" , but it just doesn't seem to make any sense to replace a head that is only costing $100 and 10 minutes a year to maintain with some "better" head for $500+ just to purchase.

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I clean my entire system each fall when I winterize the boat by flushing about 5 gallons of hot, soapy water through the system. I use a mixture of Dawn dish detergent with a cup of chlorox bleach added. I allow the warm water to sit in the lines and pump for several minutes, then repeat the process until the entire 5 gallons has been flushed through the system. Then I winterize with about a half-gallon of pink stuff. This really does a fantastic job of cleaning the entire system, including the holding tank, which is pumped out until dry.

In 5 years, I have only had to replace a single Joker Valve and never had to rebuild the pump.

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Btw you guys Straighten out your weather and driftwood issue. I may have to travel back through in a few months on way south.

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Btw you guys Straighten out your weather and driftwood issue. I may have to travel back through in a few months on way south.
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I have Jabsco heads on my boat and have never seen why people despise them so much. The maintenance is changing joker valves and occasionally lubing the piston. In 5 years of ownership, I haven't had to rebuild the pump, and if I did, I'd just replace the entire pump assembly since it only sells for about 15 bucks more than a pump rebuild kit. I can't see why people would replace the entire toilet for $160 or so when all the moving parts are in the $80 pump assembly. There's also an appeal to the fact that Jabscos are so common that if you do get in a pinch and need parts, they can be had same day at West Marine or next day with Amazon or Defender. All that said, I can definitely see the appeal to a more elegant solution if we spent a lot more time aboard or entertained a lot of landlubbers aboard, but for weekending and the occasional longer cruise I've found the Jabsco to be satisfactory.

I am with you. Iíve never had an issue with our Jabsco except the joker. We use a capfull of mineral oil every few weeks . We only use fresh water so there is never an issue with smell or salt in the lines or holding tank. On pump outs we always put water back in after pumping and repump.

The Lavac are primo units however I havenít seen the need to go that route.


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Iím interested in hearing othersí comments on adding oils into the toilet water. I had read that anything thatís immiscible and less dense than water could form a layer on top the black water that prevents aeration and leads to anerobic bacteria. This film can be almost impossible to pump out since the waste port (or mascerator, if offshore) pulls from the bottom and loses its prime before the oil is removed.

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I have Jabsco heads on my boat and have never seen why people despise them so much. The maintenance is changing joker valves and occasionally lubing the piston. In 5 years of ownership, I haven't had to rebuild the pump, and if I did, I'd just replace the entire pump assembly since it only sells for about 15 bucks more than a pump rebuild kit. I can't see why people would replace the entire toilet for $160 or so when all the moving parts are in the $80 pump assembly. There's also an appeal to the fact that Jabscos are so common that if you do get in a pinch and need parts, they can be had same day at West Marine or next day with Amazon or Defender. All that said, I can definitely see the appeal to a more elegant solution if we spent a lot more time aboard or entertained a lot of landlubbers aboard, but for weekending and the occasional longer cruise I've found the Jabsco to be satisfactory.

I am with you. Iíve never had an issue with our Jabsco except the joker. We use a capfull of mineral oil every few weeks . We only use fresh water so there is never an issue with smell or salt in the lines or holding tank. On pump outs we always put water back in after pumping and repump.

The Lavac are primo units however I havenít seen the need to go that route.


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