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Iím interested in hearing othersí comments on adding oils into the toilet water. I had read that anything thatís immiscible and less dense than water could form a layer on top the black water that prevents aeration and leads to anerobic bacteria. This film can be almost impossible to pump out since the waste port (or mascerator, if offshore) pulls from the bottom and loses its prime before the oil is removed.

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This recommendation came from none other than Don Casey in one of the Annapolis Boat Show Seminars I attended.

We have done this for 12 years or so with good results. Thatís good enough practice evidence for me.

We donít douse our 24 gallon holding tank frequently with oil so I doubt there is any film on top preventing aerobic organisms. We only use a capful ( 1oz ) when we notice the piton or gasket is sticky. Actual evidence is no boat smell . We do flush in the spring with cider vinegar as well and have two vents to encourage aeration to promote the bacterial growth.

I have seen other recommendations from PS and others, but this does work for us so we will stick with the progrs


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Re: 2018 Sailing Season on the Chesapeake

I never had a clog with a Jabsco or Wilcox-Crittenden, but I've never had a joker valve last as long as you guys have and the piston seals seem to fail rapidly. I guess if I'd known about the mineral oil trick, I could have tried it. That's pretty interesting. I really should get some of Casey's books.

Ah well, I've got the parts and I'm moving forward with the project.

Even if I was having better luck with piston style pumps, I still want the extra mileage that I'll get from my holding tank by using much less flushing water.

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Re: 2018 Sailing Season on the Chesapeake

Well you could, you know, pump less to use less water! Itís free!

But I know you are really looking for support to justify what you want to do. Which isnít isnít needed on your boat with your money.

Don't blow air up my rear, be useful and blow it at the sails!
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I never had a clog with a Jabsco or Wilcox-Crittenden, but I've never had a joker valve last as long as you guys have and the piston seals seem to fail rapidly. I guess if I'd known about the mineral oil trick, I could have tried it. That's pretty interesting. I really should get some of Casey's books.

Ah well, I've got the parts and I'm moving forward with the project.

Even if I was having better luck with piston style pumps, I still want the extra mileage that I'll get from my holding tank by using much less flushing water.

I like lava s donít get me wrong


Assuming the hose from the bottom of the toilet to the holding tank is the same length , and you want to flush it clean no matter which toilet....it holds the same amount of water. So where does the large water savings come from?


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I'll be glad when it stops raining and you guys get back to sailing and quit going on about toilets.

I'm an airhead,by the way.
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Assuming the hose from the bottom of the toilet to the holding tank is the same length , and you want to flush it clean no matter which toilet....it holds the same amount of water. So where does the large water savings come from?
All I know, is that 3 long-time users report double the time between pumpouts and the site's FAQ states 3 pints per flush.
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Maybe I'll install it and discover no savings at all.

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I'll be glad when it stops raining and you guys get back to sailing and quit going on about toilets.

I'm an airhead,by the way.
You know, I tried, really tried to figure out a way to install a dessicating toilet. The thought of zero plumbing was very enticing. I wanted to recover the holding tank space for an additional 20 gallon potable water tank. My head layout simply won't support it without me performing major fiberglass surgery or sacrificing access to the wet locker behind the toilet.

I got measurements for all the popular brands. The closest toilet that *might* fit, was the C-head "shorty" and even then, I'd have to trim the bottom of the wet locker door so that it would open. I decided that boat surgery for a reduced capacity toilet wasn't worth it.

The rain is mostly over, it's the traffic jam of garbage out there that's keeping me in port. I hate to say it, but this has been a terrible year for sailing. Extended winter, 3rd extremely wet spring in a row, a brief dry spell from end of June to middle July and back to epic rain fall. I'm hoping fervently hoping for drier, better weather from August through October.

I was very lucky to have my sailing vacation land during the only decent spot on the calendar.

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Re: 2018 Sailing Season on the Chesapeake

Bleach is a big No-No for Joker valves and other gaskets in a head system... it's also not good for the holding tank.

Regardless of who might take responsibility for all the debris in the bay... it's really disappointing cuz I will not venture out there until it settles down and that's going to be a while. The trees tree trunks tree limbs etc... but the tractor tires refrigerators propane tanks and like, that really really is sad.

I am surprised about the comments regarding this being a poor sailing season when in fact I think it's been pretty wonderful. I did get a great window in the beginning of July with absolutely no rain and decent wind most days. I guess I'll count myself lucky.

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Bleach is a big No-No for Joker valves and other gaskets in a head system... it's also not good for the holding tank.

Regardless of who might take responsibility for all the debris in the bay... it's really disappointing cuz I will not venture out there until it settles down and that's going to be a while. The trees tree trunks tree limbs etc... but the tractor tires refrigerators propane tanks and like, that really really is sad.

I am surprised about the comments regarding this being a poor sailing season when in fact I think it's been pretty wonderful. I did get a great window in the beginning of July with absolutely no rain and decent wind most days. I guess I'll count myself lucky.
That's what I'm sayin'. That period was the best window. I was out there, too. Before and after have been mostly crap.
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We have had some really great sailing days here in the southern bay.I even got out this past Monday before the monsoons set in. There has been good winds and the only bad heat w as around the fourth. And no nettles on top of all that.

I'm planning a short cruise in a week and may do some night sailing so I hope the debris clears out by then.
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