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sailforlife 08-17-2018 10:34 PM

Annapolis Boat Show October!
 
So I am going to the Annapolis boat show for the first time this year! Who else in sailnet is heading that way? For those that have been before any advice would be greatly appreciated!

:2 boat::captain::ship-captain::svoilier:

Rocky Mountain Breeze 08-17-2018 11:20 PM

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Personal Attack and Politicization of a on-topic post removed per forum rules- Jeff_H SailNet Moderator

sailforlife 08-17-2018 11:25 PM

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:2 boat::2 boat:

Rocky Mountain Breeze 08-19-2018 10:25 PM

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TakeFive 08-19-2018 11:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailforlife (Post 2051546646)
So I am going to the Annapolis boat show for the first time this year! Who else in sailnet is heading that way? For those that have been before any advice would be greatly appreciated!

:2 boat::captain::ship-captain::svoilier:

My nephew is getting married in the Shenandoah region of Virginia that weekend, so things are not looking good for my attendance. I might take Monday off and head down for it.

Scandium 08-20-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tschmidty (Post 2051547096)
Do you ever post useful things related to sailing? Or is it always political?

I've never seen a thread devolve into the poop-slinging stage so quickly! I too plan on going to the annapolis show for the first time this year and hoped for some tips, but left here disappointed.

TakeFive 08-20-2018 10:05 AM

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FWIW, I reported the offending posts to the mods and asked them to delete posts 2, 3, and 4. Maybe the people who made these posts and delete them for us so the mods don't have to waste their time wiping up after they leave a mess.

tschmidty 08-20-2018 10:23 AM

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I went ahead and deleted my comment which while I don't think it was directly obnoxious, wasn't particularly helpful either (see post #6).

But I too would like to go to the show in Annapolis. I attended the one on San Francisco a number of years ago which was a smaller show. For some specific questions:

How is traffic getting to the show if you aren't staying right next door? Is there transient marina space available? If not where would be good, cheap marinas nearby to stay? I imagine parking is available but probably not cheap

Scandium 08-20-2018 10:30 AM

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Are there any opportunities for being taken out for a sail/"test sail" at all during the show? I'm bringing my dad, an avid power boater, and would be fun to get him out for a spin on a nice sail boat. But I don't know if that's reserved for the people who seem ready to cough up 1/4 mill for a boat on the spot.. (they can tell I wont)

TakeFive 08-20-2018 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scandium (Post 2051547136)
Are there any opportunities for being taken out for a sail/"test sail" at all during the show? I'm bringing my dad, an avid power boater, and would be fun to get him out for a spin on a nice sail boat. But I don't know if that's reserved for the people who seem ready to cough up 1/4 mill for a boat on the spot..

Anyone can go out on a boat, but it’s not free. Go to the website and look up “First Sail Workshop” and “Take the Wheel”. These are popular and do fill up ahead of time, so register early.

You’re not likely to get a free ride on any boat. It’s a commercial show.

https://www.annapolisboatshows.com/u...sailboat-show/

Scandium 08-20-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TakeFive (Post 2051547140)
Anyone can go out on a boat, but it’s not free. Go to the website and look up “First Sail Workshop” and “Take the Wheel”. These are popular and do fill up ahead of time, so register early.

You’re not likely to get a free ride on any boat. It’s a commercial show.

https://www.annapolisboatshows.com/u...sailboat-show/

I was aware of those, but that's pretty elaborate all-day affairs with classroom seminars and captaining several boats. I was just thinking a quick trip as passenger, but guess not. Thanks.

Jeff_H 08-20-2018 12:43 PM

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There are the Woodwinds which are larger schooners who do short sails (a couple hours). for a reasonable price. https://www.schoonerwoodwind.com/
Sometimes SailNet members will meet up during the show and sometimes members in the area will invite people out on their boat if they are going sailing during the show.

Jeff

TakeFive 08-20-2018 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scandium (Post 2051547152)
I was aware of those, but that's pretty elaborate all-day affairs with classroom seminars and captaining several boats. I was just thinking a quick trip as passenger, but guess not. Thanks.

First Sail Workshop is a little over 2 hours. They do 4 of them a day, so you can pick your time and do the show for the rest of the day. What are you looking for?

Sanduskysailor 08-20-2018 06:23 PM

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Probably going again this year. Tips for doing it on the cheap. We drive the 6 hours on Thursday and stay near BWI. You can get a 4 star hotel around BWI for less than $100/night. On Friday morning we eat at Bob Evans near BWI, then drive the 35 minutes to Annapolis. We park over the bridge in Eastport and hoof it the mile to the show. We usually look at a few boats and search out the deals for equipment we need. Best deal on foul weather gear is at the Helly Hansen store downtown Annapolis which runs specials during the show. Also have gotten deals on dock lines, sail ties, and PFDs at the show. Depending on what time we leave we usually go to the Boatyard for crab cakes. We then go visit our daughter in DC for the evening stay. Good luck . Pro tip. If you are there on a Friday, don't event think about heading east towards the Bay Bridge. Grid lock city.

sailforlife 08-21-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff_H (Post 2051547154)
There are the Woodwinds which are larger schooners who do short sails (a couple hours). for a reasonable price. https://www.schoonerwoodwind.com/
Sometimes SailNet members will meet up during the show and sometimes members in the area will invite people out on their boat if they are going sailing during the show.

Jeff

Will you been attending the show Jeff?

Sailormon6 08-21-2018 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff_H (Post 2051547154)
There are the Woodwinds which are larger schooners who do short sails (a couple hours). for a reasonable price.

The Woodwinds give their guests their money's worth. They could just motor around the river, but instead they raise all their sails, which is a lot of work, and they sail into the Bay for a view of the Bay Bridge and the racing fleets. They also sail through the harbor and all around the mooring field. Their skippers and crews are obviously skilled boat handlers.

Jeff_H 08-21-2018 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sailforlife (Post 2051547270)
Will you been attending the show Jeff?

I do typically attend the show. Its pretty easy for me to do since I live at an Annapolis address outside of the city itself and usually end up with free tickets. I tend to watch the weather and decide on which day during the weekend is a better sailing day vs boat show attending day. I will sometimes attend on a rain day if there is a good sailing day that weekend.

Jeff

Rezz 08-21-2018 11:10 AM

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My wife and I will be there all weekend. We're staying within (long) walking distance.

My tips:

Look at the list of boats that are going to be there, and prioritize a couple of the big ones you're interested in. That way you won't be disappointed by missing it. Also, the crowds are lighter early in the day so you can get to what you want to see easier.

Start at the back and work your way back forward. I think it's less crowded that way.

Do the same with the vendor list if you're interested. If not - more boat time!

If you want a free drink, stop by the Hendrick's floating bar. They're always fun.

If you haven't had one before, a Painkiller at Pusser's is mandatory.

Don't fall in the water. I've seen it happen a couple times. And if you see it happen try not to laugh :)

Friday is less crowded than Saturday or Sunday.

~~~~~~~

I think that's about it off the top of my head. Some people may loosely plan a get-together in the forum somewhere - keep an eye out!

Caribbeachbum 08-21-2018 12:29 PM

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We went last year, spent three days wandering the show. Two would have been plenty, though. We visited every vendor tent and looked into everything that we might remotely want or need. Bought a hat (Tillie); and a lot of beers. The Pusser's Painkiller is nice, but I don't recommend the food there. The crab cakes at Dock Street, though, are fantastic! There is much in the way of good eats in that little downtown, and plenty not so good. We had a very poor experience with the Take the Wheel thing, and would not recommend it. We were disappointed with the brokerage boats on display, but in talking to several brokers, it's clear that the cost of putting a used yacht into the show is simply not worth it except for some very high end ones. We have been to too many boat shows, and it's our opinion that the only worthy one is the Annapolis fall show (US Sailboat Show). Miami -- we went the same year -- was a poor, distant second place to it. Have fun!

ThereYouAre 08-21-2018 12:53 PM

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I usually attend on Fridays. I figure the crowds are a little smaller. My only tip is to park at the Naval Academy Stadium and take the shuttle down to the show. Cheaper and less stressful than trying to find parking close to the show.

-Hugh

4arch 08-21-2018 01:20 PM

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I post some version of this every year but my tip is just to be careful in the vendor tents. Really great deals are few and far between and (with the exception of deals on floor models of items displayed at the show) one can usually get any boat show discounts by calling or visiting the website of the vendor. As an example, in years past a vendor exhibited Honda generators at a good price, but now that Home Depot and Amazon are selling them, you can get the price that used to be considered a "great boat show special" any day. For electronics, better than boat show deals seem to pop up later in the fall and early winter. For other gear, Presidents day through mid-April seems to be ripe for good deals.

slap 08-21-2018 01:46 PM

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I usually go two days - one day for me to explore what I want, and a second day with my wife, to explore what she wants.

Win - Win.

ImGary01 08-21-2018 03:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff_H (Post 2051547154)
There are the Woodwinds which are larger schooners who do short sails (a couple hours). for a reasonable price. https://www.schoonerwoodwind.com/
Sometimes SailNet members will meet up during the show and sometimes members in the area will invite people out on their boat if they are going sailing during the show.

Jeff

Jeff,
Sound like you are volunteering to take sailnet members out on your boat.

PalmettoSailor 08-21-2018 03:40 PM

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Our boat is about a 30 minute drive from Annapolis and we have friends that have worked the show for many years, so we will usually go and make a long day of it, then met them for dinner after the show closes. If we happen to be there on closing day, they get us into the staff party which is a blast.

As a counterpoint to the parking at the stadium and taking the bus being less stressful that is not true for us. We plan to arrive about 45 minutes to an hour before the gates open and park in either the city garage or the real estate office on the Eastport side of the bridge. It costs, but because we stay for dinner after the show and sometimes it gets to be a late night, I find it far less stressful to be in walking distance of my vehicle. There is a really nice Coffee shop between the city garage and show entrances where we usually kill the time between arrival and opening.

As far as food, I almost always grab something at the Fleet Reserve Club, which again is pricy for what you get, but I don't mind supporting those guys. A Painkiller or beer on the Deck at Pusser's is enjoyable if you can find a seat. The restaurants are all packed but we've managed to get a table at Pusser's for dinner a couple of times and Blackwall Hitch once.

I concur that the brokerage cove is largely a waste of time to get over to.

Jeff_H 08-21-2018 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ImGary01 (Post 2051547356)
Jeff,
Sound like you are volunteering to take sailnet members out on your boat.

Its been known to happen......

ps23435 08-21-2018 10:24 PM

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Some comments regarding the practical aspects.... This year's show coincides with a USNA football game (USNA vs USAFA), that will complicate traffic, hotels, crowds, especially on Saturday. The last time we went to the show when there was a football game they moved the offsite parking from the Academy football stadium (which actually worked out better)- be sure to check the show website for more info on any parking changes. Re. parking, I have always found the offsite parking and shuttles a pretty painless way to get into the show. It avoids driving into downtown Annapolis (or even Eastport); cost is reasonable (I think it was $10 last year and goes to a community organization) and the shuttle buses run frequently all day. The game has also inflated hotel costs in the local area so you may need to venture further out (Bowie, MD, BWI, etc) to find rooms if you plan on attending over the weekend. Thursday is the "VIP Day"- you don't need to be any kind of VIP to go on Thursday, just tickets cost more but there are usually no crowds and it does avoid the football game. Have fun at the show!

ps23435 08-21-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmettoSailor (Post 2051547358)
I concur that the brokerage cove is largely a waste of time to get over to.

I've found brokerage cove is hit or miss, one year there were some interesting brokerage boats there, another not much of anything. That said, the free water taxi to/from isn't a bad boat ride and a nice break from walking!

wingman10 08-22-2018 04:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 4arch (Post 2051547332)
I post some version of this every year but my tip is just to be careful in the vendor tents. Really great deals are few and far between and (with the exception of deals on floor models of items displayed at the show) one can usually get any boat show discounts by calling or visiting the website of the vendor. As an example, in years past a vendor exhibited Honda generators at a good price, but now that Home Depot and Amazon are selling them, you can get the price that used to be considered a "great boat show special" any day. For electronics, better than boat show deals seem to pop up later in the fall and early winter. For other gear, Presidents day through mid-April seems to be ripe for good deals.

This has been my experience as well. I have been attending the show on and off for many years and I am always hearing from friends about the great deals, but I have never really seen them myself. Regardless, it is a fun event (although if the Wx is good, you'll probably find me out on the water instead...)

Minnewaska 08-22-2018 07:04 AM

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It's my favorite boat show. Period. I only make it every 2-3 years.

I think the show can't be done well in one day. Especially, if it's one's first year. Take it all in on one day and go back the next to clean up. Or split between all the boat porn tours and the vendor tent tours between days.

All my purchases seem to occur after lunch, where I will have a couple of beers or sometimes a painkiller from the Pussers booth on the docks. I say that's good advice, but you may take it as a warning. :)

PalmettoSailor 08-22-2018 08:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ps23435 (Post 2051547434)
I've found brokerage cove is hit or miss, one year there were some interesting brokerage boats there, another not much of anything. That said, the free water taxi to/from isn't a bad boat ride and a nice break from walking!

I think this is only the 4th year, or so of brokerage cove and I remember the 1st couple of years they had some cool boats at mortal price points, but the past couple of years they were almost all the kind of boats where they run a credit check before allowing you to make a reservation for a showing.

ABRsailing 08-22-2018 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ps23435 (Post 2051547434)
I've found brokerage cove is hit or miss, one year there were some interesting brokerage boats there, another not much of anything. That said, the free water taxi to/from isn't a bad boat ride and a nice break from walking!

What water taxi are you referring to? Can't find it on the website. Where does it depart from? Parking there? More info please :)

aa3jy 08-22-2018 12:02 PM

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All it takes is one baby stoller(though highly discouraged but some think they are 'Entitled') on the floating docks..and that's it and we're out of there for us.. 😞

slap 08-22-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ABRsailing (Post 2051547504)
What water taxi are you referring to? Can't find it on the website. Where does it depart from? Parking there? More info please :)

The water taxi runs from a dock at the boat show to a dock at the brokerage boats area. You have to be inside the show grounds to use it. The water taxi arrives and departs from the end of dock "F2", - at least in previous years!

slap 08-22-2018 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aa3jy (Post 2051547512)
All it takes is one baby stoller(though highly discouraged but some think they are 'Entitled') on the floating docks..and that's it and we're out of there for us.. 😞

We've never had any problems with strollers on the floating docks. Heck - groups of people standing around trying to decide what boat to go on next are more of an obstruction (and usually not a problem since the floating docks are quite wide).

ThereYouAre 08-22-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PalmettoSailor (Post 2051547464)
I think this is only the 4th year, or so of brokerage cove and I remember the 1st couple of years they had some cool boats at mortal price points, but the past couple of years they were almost all the kind of boats where they run a credit check before allowing you to make a reservation for a showing.

The spring show which is much smaller overall had more used and affordable boats than the brokers row in the fall.

Minnewaska 08-22-2018 01:17 PM

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I went to brokerage row last year. Most everything there was unappealing at any price point. I like looking at boats, so wasn’t offended by it, but have to think it’s not a very successful area for sales. Could be wrong.

Ironically, I boarded a Hylas 70 (ArchAngel)in brokerage cove, that I had originally been aboard approx 6-7 years earlier, when she was on display as a brand new yacht at the Hylas display in the main show. Big difference. Of course, she had also been dismantled since, after ramming a ledge in Maine at hull speed. Oops.

sand 08-22-2018 02:43 PM

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Plan on a big budget.
We went last year. Never again.
Several designs have features. That go against small vessel engineering. Low hung big windows are aleady proving to be a problem for insuarance companies. They build for luxury not cruising.

Jeff_H 08-22-2018 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sand (Post 2051547568)
Plan on a big budget.
We went last year. Never again.
Several designs have features. That go against small vessel engineering. Low hung big windows are aleady proving to be a problem for insuarance companies. They build for luxury not cruising.

I had not heard that insurance companies were running into issues with large portlights in the hull. These have been a feature in power boats since the 1980's, multihulls for the past 20 or more years, and have shown up on a lot of the newer monohull boats, but especially on some of the more highly respected European cruising designs. When this was discussed a few years ago someone pointed out that there is a specific engineering section of the CE Standards that deal with portlights in the hull.

Where did you see/hear that portlights in the hull are "aleady proving to be a problem for insurance companies."

Jeff

sand 08-22-2018 04:40 PM

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Please read my last post carefully.
I said windows, not portlights or ports.
I did not say what years or models.

TakeFive 08-22-2018 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sand (Post 2051547598)
Please read my last post carefully.
I said windows, not portlights or ports.
I did not say what years or models.

OK, put aside your semantic nit-picking and provide some facts to back up your original statement. Exactly what “problems” are insurance companies having with windows, and what type, year, or models?

sand 08-22-2018 05:12 PM

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I knew I should not JOIN . Too many low lifes looking to proove somthing to thier mommies.
If I ever put a WINDOW instead of a PORTLIGHT in a boat I was building😨YIKS

TakeFive 08-22-2018 05:33 PM

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You made a bold statement that’s worthy of more discussion. But it should be based on facts. Please clarify. Otherwise skepticism is appropriate.

chef2sail 08-22-2018 07:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sand (Post 2051547610)
I knew I should not JOIN . Too many low lifes looking to proove somthing to thier mommies.
If I ever put a WINDOW instead of a PORTLIGHT in a boat I was building😨YIKS

REAlly has nothing to do with you just joining. You made the statement, unless it was hyperbole or you were making a personal preference point providing a little backup should be no problem

We like an encourage new posters. When you have personal preferences just note that, we all have them.
When you post otherwise you should expect someone to ask where you saw the facts to come to that conclusion.

Thanks for posting and welcome

chef2sail 08-22-2018 07:55 PM

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I think T37 has said it before but we also have found the best deals and bargains occur on the last day of the show as the mai tainence tents areas may not want to pack up and take home

We look at the show as a place to see on person new products or to compare products in one place in person. We looked at dinghies one year even though we weren’t in the market. It led to us buying a specific one this year when we needed it.

We developed a relationship with Mark at Garhauer from the show which made calling him at a later date about a product easier as I liked their robust nature on radar poles and davits

No one going really expects to buy a boat there. Except maybe a first timer with a wad to blow. Boat show prices are just a cone on term just like the weekly car commercials are. We have found the ability to negotiate prices especially with higher ticket items not at the show in general

Sometimes good deals on foul weather gear, t shirts etc. if you go on Saturday and Sunday expect crowds . Like Clay I am not fond of them. Generally we won’t waste a perfectly good sailing weekend just to visit the show. However we keep our boat close by in Whitehall Creek so anchoring in one of the closeby creeks ( not Spa) is an option if we choose to spend a 1/2,day to meet people on a weekend .

In general I have found wherever you park if if you are using the shuttle buses it’s easy and well organized. No matter where catching them from.

The after show party with the vendors is the best. Done years Sailnetters have had one and we usually participate. I’ve met some people on here at the show ( you know who you ate😀)

travlin-easy 08-22-2018 11:26 PM

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With luck, I hope to be well on my way to the Florida Keys and Dry Tortugas by the time the boat show takes place.

Have fun guys and gals,

Gary :cool:

sailforlife 08-22-2018 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by travlin-easy (Post 2051547698)
With luck, I hope to be well on my way to the Florida Keys and Dry Tortugas by the time the boat show takes place.

Have fun guys and gals,

Gary :cool:

Safe travels, enjoy the ride and best of luck.

:2 boat::2 boat:

sailforlife 08-22-2018 11:38 PM

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So in what location and day is this SAILNET after party taking place??

sailforlife 08-22-2018 11:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chef2sail (Post 2051547646)
I think T37 has said it before but we also have found the best deals and bargains occur on the last day of the show as the mai tainence tents areas may not want to pack up and take home

We look at the show as a place to see on person new products or to compare products in one place in person. We looked at dinghies one year even though we weren’t in the market. It led to us buying a specific one this year when we needed it.

We developed a relationship with Mark at Garhauer from the show which made calling him at a later date about a product easier as I liked their robust nature on radar poles and davits

No one going really expects to buy a boat there. Except maybe a first timer with a wad to blow. Boat show prices are just a cone on term just like the weekly car commercials are. We have found the ability to negotiate prices especially with higher ticket items not at the show in general

Sometimes good deals on foul weather gear, t shirts etc. if you go on Saturday and Sunday expect crowds . Like Clay I am not fond of them. Generally we won’t waste a perfectly good sailing weekend just to visit the show. However we keep our boat close by in Whitehall Creek so anchoring in one of the closeby creeks ( not Spa) is an option if we choose to spend a 1/2,day to meet people on a weekend .

In general I have found wherever you park if if you are using the shuttle buses it’s easy and well organized. No matter where catching them from.

The after show party with the vendors is the best. Done years Sailnetters have had one and we usually participate. I’ve met some people on here at the show ( you know who you ate😀)

Not a fan of crowds myself , what is the extent of it? Are we talking Walt Disney lines?:svoilier::svoilier:

sailforlife 08-22-2018 11:44 PM

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Anyone know if they do free shipping on what you purchase at the show?

Rezz 08-23-2018 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sailforlife (Post 2051547714)
Anyone know if they do free shipping on what you purchase at the show?

Some vendors will. Others will just hold your bag until the end so you can pick it up on the way out. Just ask and they'll let you know.

Jeff_H 08-23-2018 09:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sand (Post 2051547598)
Please read my last post carefully.
I said windows, not portlights or ports.
I did not say what years or models.

I read your post carefully, and that was why I made the comment, and asked the question that I did. Just to be clear, I was not trying to question your semantics or your veracity.

My question was solely aimed at a better understanding the specific issues the insurance companies were encountering. The increased use of large windows in the hulls of boats, by any other name, has been somewhat controversial on SailNet at times. While these large windows, both in hulls and on deck have been in use for a very long time. in those discussions there was little direct evidence pointing to one side of the debate or the other. If insurance companies are starting to encounter problems, it would be very helpful to understand what those problems actually are since that would clearly support the contention that large portlights (by which I meant fixed windows rather than operable windows) are bound to be problematic, or support the other view which contends that there are engineering standards for hull openings and with reasonable maintenance, there should not be safety issues.

Since you have apparently encountered a source of information that the rest of us hasn't, any additional information about the insurance issues with large windows would be helpful.

Respectfully,
Jeff

sailforlife 08-23-2018 02:07 PM

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I rented a boat figured why stay in a hotel when I can stay in the water in the Chesapeake Bay! Only like 4 miles from the show ,hopefully Uber does not cost and arm and leg during the show!

Rezz 08-23-2018 05:06 PM

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Very nice, @sailforlife - I hadn't thought of renting a boat. I'm guessing it's in a slip somewhere? I'd love to hear details, and see how you like the experience.

chef2sail 08-23-2018 05:08 PM

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Good luck getting an Uber with the Boat Show and a Navy Home game.
Reserve early

sailforlife 08-23-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezz (Post 2051547896)
Very nice, @sailforlife - I hadn't thought of renting a boat. I'm guessing it's in a slip somewhere? I'd love to hear details, and see how you like the experience.

Yea, so there is a lot of them available for rent, I rented mine trough airbnb. There are others available for rental from monohulls to cats.The are usually at a marina or sometimes you dinghy out to it. Prices vary a lot but you can still find some pretty affordable deals.

Best of luck!

:2 boat::2 boat:

sailforlife 08-23-2018 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chef2sail (Post 2051547898)
Good luck getting an Uber with the Boat Show and a Navy Home game.
Reserve early

I am only 4 miles out so, if I need to walk or bike ill do it. I also rented a car so I will have transportation but, I would prefer and uber so I don't have to deal with parking and the bus etc...

P.S. Will you be attending the show?

:svoilier::svoilier:

Rhapsody-NS27 08-24-2018 09:30 AM

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I think any purchases I may make for "boat show prices" will be online. Wife has a work trip to California so our daughter and I will be tagging along. :|

ImGary01 08-24-2018 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rezz (Post 2051547896)
Very nice, @sailforlife - I hadn't thought of renting a boat. I'm guessing it's in a slip somewhere? I'd love to hear details, and see how you like the experience.

Check out Sojourner offered through VRBO. Its a 38 ft trawler berthed at the Chesapeake Boat Club (410 280-8692) adjacent to J World in Eastport. My daughter and I stayed when we were in Annapolis for a regatta. It is expensive but within walking distance to Davis' Pub, the Maritime Museum, SSA etc.

sailforlife 08-24-2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezz (Post 2051547314)
My wife and I will be there all weekend. We're staying within (long) walking distance.

My tips:

Look at the list of boats that are going to be there, and prioritize a couple of the big ones you're interested in. That way you won't be disappointed by missing it. Also, the crowds are lighter early in the day so you can get to what you want to see easier.

Start at the back and work your way back forward. I think it's less crowded that way.

Do the same with the vendor list if you're interested. If not - more boat time!

If you want a free drink, stop by the Hendrick's floating bar. They're always fun.

If you haven't had one before, a Painkiller at Pusser's is mandatory.

Don't fall in the water. I've seen it happen a couple times. And if you see it happen try not to laugh :)

Friday is less crowded than Saturday or Sunday.

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I think that's about it off the top of my head. Some people may loosely plan a get-together in the forum somewhere - keep an eye out!

Thank you for the information! Started the PainKillers early with the wife! pictures attached!

:2 boat::captain:

chef2sail 08-24-2018 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sailforlife (Post 2051547948)
I am only 4 miles out so, if I need to walk or bike ill do it. I also rented a car so I will have transportation but, I would prefer and uber so I don't have to deal with parking and the bus etc...

P.S. Will you be attending the show?

:svoilier::svoilier:

Yes...I have comp tickets to the first day, and I usually go the last day. We are leaving on a week cruise of the Chessie the day after the show, so we’ll probably anchor in Back Creek and dinghy over.

sailforlife 08-24-2018 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chef2sail (Post 2051548104)
Yes...I have comp tickets to the first day, and I usually go the last day. We are leaving on a week cruise of the Chessie the day after the show, so we’ll probably anchor in Back Creek and dinghy over.

Cool we will be really close hope to see you all out there!

:2 boat::2 boat::captain::captain::svoilier:

Rezz 08-24-2018 09:10 PM

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Is the first day Thursday?

We're going to be there Fri-Sun. Hopefully we can do some research on the few last things our boat needs to really be more comfortable.

TakeFive 08-24-2018 09:37 PM

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Thursday is VIP day. You too can be a VIP if you're willing to pay the higher admission charge.

Donna_F 08-24-2018 09:43 PM

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I was at the show on a Thursday once. I received free admission for sitting in the Catalina owners booth for three hours. I thought it was worth the admission price (if I’d had to pay it) to not have to deal with the crowds.

sailforlife 08-24-2018 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rezz (Post 2051548152)
Is the first day Thursday?

We're going to be there Fri-Sun. Hopefully we can do some research on the few last things our boat needs to really be more comfortable.

I will be there Friday to Monday , probably going every day or every day but Saturday.

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chef2sail 08-24-2018 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TakeFive (Post 2051548162)
Thursday is VIP day. You too can be a VIP if you're willing to pay the higher admission charge.

Or if you help in one of the booths. Amazingly not crowded.
I will be their Thursday and possibly Monday

sailforlife 08-25-2018 03:52 PM

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Donna_F 08-25-2018 09:22 PM

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Inevitably when I attend a storm moves through. Funny how few people pay attention to building clouds, lowered pressure (I have an asthma attack if it lowers too quickly), and winds getting stronger when they’re on land and get caught so hundreds of people then make a mad dash into Pussers - where we sit with drinks in hand.

Rezz 08-26-2018 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Donna_F (Post 2051548352)
Inevitably when I attend a storm moves through. Funny how few people pay attention to building clouds, lowered pressure (I have an asthma attack if it lowers too quickly), and winds getting stronger when they’re on land and get caught so hundreds of people then make a mad dash into Pussers - where we sit with drinks in hand.

Honestly, rainy boat shows are my favorite. The crowds are half the normal size or less, and the teak decks are prettier when wet. Plus, you can get a good feel for how slippery the nonskid is. I always wear flip flops so I don't have to take shoes and socks off.

Oh, and if you have new foul weather gear, it's a great time to test it out :)

Minnewaska 08-26-2018 08:33 AM

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I’ve told this true story before. I was buying tickets to the Annapolis show at the booth and it was drizzling already. Threatening to storm. I ask the ticket booth guy, “how does the rain affect attendance?”

He says “It depends, if it’s the powerboat week, attendance drops, if it’s sailboat week, attendance goes up!”

Donna_F 08-26-2018 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rezz (Post 2051548372)
Honestly, rainy boat shows are my favorite. The crowds are half the normal size or less, and the teak decks are prettier when wet. Plus, you can get a good feel for how slippery the nonskid is. I always wear flip flops so I don't have to take shoes and socks off.

Oh, and if you have new foul weather gear, it's a great time to test it out :)

I hear you. I'm not talking about a steady rain. I mean when a cold front is coming our way during an otherwise sunny-ish day.

Rezz 08-26-2018 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Donna_F (Post 2051548400)
I hear you. I'm not talking about a steady rain. I mean when a cold front is coming our way during an otherwise sunny-ish day.

Now granted, last rainy boat show I went to, it was pouring all day. The vendors were miserable. The belowdecks were getting wet from the hatches being open most of the day. I almost broke my toe slipping on nonskid. But I brought a good jacket, and didn't mind walking through the ankle-deep puddles because my feet were already wet. It was a good time!

sailforlife 09-09-2018 02:45 PM

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I broke my foot like a week ago, doctor says if I am lucky 3 weeks. Can I wheelchair around the show if the foot does not heal.

:(

Minnewaska 09-10-2018 06:54 AM

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Sorry to hear that. I guess using a wheelchair would be an individual perspective. I assume they are permitted on the docks. However, the docks can get crowded to walk on. For me, it would be hard to imagine navigating a wheel chair, especially if I was new to one. Further, if you're resigned to the chair, you presumably can't get aboard the boats, which would severely limit the value of going to see the boats, IMO.

The vendors tents can also be crowded, but probably easier to deal with and to get up relatively close. I'm not sure I would go, just for those, but that's a personal call.

Finally, the surrounding town, it's restaurants, etc, should be relatively accessible to a wheel chair.

Again, it depends on the individual perspective. If it were me, I would just write it off to bad luck and go next year. Be thankful your need for a wheelchair is temporary.

sailforlife 09-11-2018 11:36 AM

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I have an appointment in 2 weeks hopping for good news!

sailforlife 09-14-2018 05:35 PM

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Foot is feeling good! or the adrenaline and the fact that I want to go to the show so bad is kicking in either way looking forward to it! Ill be there Friday,Sat,Sunday... and maybe Monday...

sailforlife 09-16-2018 04:53 PM

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So who all in sailnet is heading to the show? It would be cool for a group to go have dinner and meet up somewhere...

ThereYouAre 09-17-2018 01:39 PM

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I'll be there on Friday from late morning to about 6pm.

Caribbeachbum 09-17-2018 05:13 PM

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if all goes well, we will be moving aboard our new (to us) boat in Annapolis a few days before the boat show starts. We expect to spend a lot of money at the boat show ... would enjoy spending a few more dollars on beers with Sailnet members if someone organizes a shindig.

sailforlife 09-17-2018 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum (Post 2051553506)
if all goes well, we will be moving aboard our new (to us) boat in Annapolis a few days before the boat show starts. We expect to spend a lot of money at the boat show ... would enjoy spending a few more dollars on beers with Sailnet members if someone organizes a shindig.

Thats my plan lol Been saving for a few months!!! Its going to be an expensive trip will prob need some Painkilles at Pussers to ease the pain. :svoilier::ship-captain::captain:

sailforlife 09-17-2018 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum (Post 2051553506)
if all goes well, we will be moving aboard our new (to us) boat in Annapolis a few days before the boat show starts. We expect to spend a lot of money at the boat show ... would enjoy spending a few more dollars on beers with Sailnet members if someone organizes a shindig.

You have a Kelly Peterson 44 ? Thats a really nice boat.... :ship-captain:

johnny buddha 09-17-2018 11:20 PM

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We will be there on Sunday (morning - mid-afternoon) at the Maryland Yacht Club booth. Stop by and say "hi".

sailforlife 09-17-2018 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny buddha (Post 2051553596)
We will be there on Sunday (morning - mid-afternoon) at the Maryland Yacht Club booth. Stop by and say "hi".

Will do !

Jeff_H 09-18-2018 06:02 AM

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I plan to be at the show. I am just not sure which day.

Jeff

Caribbeachbum 09-18-2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sailforlife (Post 2051553574)
You have a Kelly Peterson 44 ? Thats a really nice boat.... :ship-captain:

Aye it was, thank you kindly ... we sold it, though. We have a contract on a Fountaine Pajot Belize 43 that's parked directly across Spa Creek from the yacht basin. We expect to close on it Sept. 28 and move aboard a day or so later.

Our plan is to spend too much money at the boat show, and then sail south to Hampton, VA and join up with the Salty Dawg Rally to the Caribbean in early November.

sailforlife 09-18-2018 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum (Post 2051553648)
Aye it was, thank you kindly ... we sold it, though. We have a contract on a Fountaine Pajot Belize 43 that's parked directly across Spa Creek from the yacht basin. We expect to close on it Sept. 28 and move aboard a day or so later.

Our plan is to spend too much money at the boat show, and then sail south to Hampton, VA and join up with the Salty Dawg Rally to the Caribbean in early November.

Going for the CAT life.... :ship-captain:

chef2sail 09-18-2018 08:26 PM

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One of the effective ways to buy things at the show is a list.....and prices you’ve researched on the net. Many times what looks like a deal....is just the window dressing and the excitement of being around a lot of sailors, Know what you buying. Take you I pad and compare pricing. Also don’t be afraid to bargain with the vendors. That’s why I like going the last day. That’s when I have seen the best “real deals”
Don’t fall for the “boat show price “ moniker.

4arch 09-19-2018 09:15 AM

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I am 99% sure I'll be there Monday. Not much on my shopping list this year.

sailjumanji 09-19-2018 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sailforlife (Post 2051553656)
Going for the CAT life.... :ship-captain:

Good move. We did that at Miami Boat Show earlier this year. Committed to a Seawind 1160 Lite new build. Started building in July. We just got back from Vietnam checking out the progress in person. Expected completion late October. Arrival by ship in Miami in November.

We will be in Annapolis for some last minute shopping as well.

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sailforlife 09-23-2018 01:04 PM

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My T37 Needs a lot of of things what would be the must have that I should focus on. On the top of my list is new instruments transducer etc. Also was going to get a new composting head but I am second guessing that because of that stupid rule that they are passing about composting heads and solar Budget is 10k.I know is not a lot but it is all I could save before the show.

chef2sail 09-23-2018 06:16 PM

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The best prices on things are for those who get on the e mail lists of major distributors and check periodically for their sales. Many of them have different times of the year where the put specific items on sale at deep discounts. There is even one usually who has a major sale of large percentage off on all items on a holiday. Do your due diligence and work. Have your list but don’t get into the adrenaline rush of being at a place where there a lot of sailors together and advertisements of " boat show prices"

If you do your homework you can/ will save major money by not OVERPAYING by buying at the boat show. It's your choice. If I had a list as large as yours id want to be able to get as much on that list eventually. Those salesman will see you coming miles away and be glad to part you from your money.

sailjumanji 09-23-2018 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chef2sail (Post 2051554646)
The best prices on things are for those who get on the e mail lists of major distributors and check periodically for their sales. Many of them have different times of the year where the put specific items on sale at deep discounts. There is even one usually who has a major sale of large percentage off on all items on a holiday. Do your due diligence and work. Have your list but don’t get into the adrenaline rush of being at a place where there a lot of sailors together and advertisements of " boat show prices"

If you do your homework you can/ will save major money by not OVERPAYING by buying at the boat show. It's your choice. If I had a list as large as yours id want to be able to get as much on that list eventually. Those salesman will see you coming miles away and be glad to part you from your money.

Very true. What I've found is that if Defender sells what you need, you can't beat their pricing during Boat Show sale (that just ended last Saturday), or their annual Warehouse Sale (an even bigger event).

Hopefully someone has a retort of where to beat that! Fingers crossed.

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TakeFive 09-23-2018 10:04 PM

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I mentioned previously on this thread that I had a family conflict that weekend. Now it looks like I might be able to rearrange things to pass through Annapolis on Sunday. If so, I'd be happy to meet up with other Sailnuts.

I don't buy much when I'm there, but I like the vibe and the general opportunity to look around. I agree with the warning to beware of false sale prices. (Although I did score a pretty nice dinghy for $600 last year.) I've grown tired of looking at brand new, shiny sailboats, but the gear and seminars are fun. I do try to renew my BoatUS/Towboat membership every year, as they have a pretty good package price. And my wife always finds neat stuff for the galley (and for our home kitchen too).

I'll probably talk to some vendors about a mainsail. I'm really due for some refurbishing (reset bolt rope might be adequate) or replacement. I've been scared off of the latter because of the high cost, especially since I'd like to keep my Dutchman system, which seems to add a lot of $$$ to the job. So I may give a try to a refurb of my current sail. My prior boat's performance was greatly enhanced by merely resetting the bolt rope.

sailforlife 09-29-2018 12:04 PM

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5 DAYS TO GO!!! foot is still not perfect but good enough can't wait! What is the temperature like ? Do I need a jacket I am a FL boy...

aa3jy 09-29-2018 12:47 PM

Currently 70f here across from Annapolis

sailforlife 09-29-2018 04:50 PM

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Beautiful you all are lucky it is hotter that the center of earth in Florida

sailjumanji 09-29-2018 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sailforlife (Post 2051555662)
Beautiful you all are lucky it is hotter that the center of earth in Florida

What the whatever. I thought you would be in Annapolis. Better get going. It's light jacket at night weather there now.

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sailjumanji 09-29-2018 09:41 PM

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Defender Annapolis Boat Show sale just started today, and runs thru the 15th. For something you plan to purchase at the boat show, you might want to check their price first.

https://www.defender.com/

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sailforlife 10-04-2018 03:35 PM

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My Flight takes off in the am can't wait to be at the show in less than 24H! See you all there...

sailforlife 10-05-2018 08:22 PM

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SOOO many sailboats !!! way more than Miami. Loved the show, love annapolis, I already have a list of 6 things to purchase.
Is it just me or are all the new boats looking the same, like alien UFOS. PS, PAINKILLERS are awesome!


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