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I'm not so sure that modern manufacturers haven't designed in the idea that a boat will likely be on stands for periods of time. No doubt, it's putting different stresses on the hull. Floor hatches and doors don't open/close quite the same, when we're on the hard. They return to normal in the water.

There is no right or wrong with hard vs water storage, IMO. Pros and cons. The risk in the water is not burst pipes from failing to winterize, it's problems that multiply when not observed routinely. The smallest leak in season can sink a boat or create a mold farm you may not inspect for weeks at a time, over the winter. I don't see my boat for 6-8 weeks at a time in the winter, which is too long for me to be comfortable in the water. I probably would choose the water, if I was going to stop by weekly. I've long since given up on winter projects aboard. Way to bloody cold.

Plan B is going to be to take her to Bermuda or SC for the winter and pay a local boat manager to inspect her weekly and hose her down. I already have inspected marinas in both locations and have found the local individuals to do this. Then I'll live aboard for periods of time getting things done in a temperate climate, or just get away for the winter, from time to time. While I'm stuck in RI, the hard it is.


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I'm not so sure that modern manufacturers haven't designed in the idea that a boat will likely be on stands for periods of time. No doubt, it's putting different stresses on the hull. Floor hatches and doors don't open/close quite the same, when we're on the hard. They return to normal in the water.

There is no right or wrong with hard vs water storage, IMO. Pros and cons. The risk in the water is not burst pipes from failing to winterize, it's problems that multiply when not observed routinely. The smallest leak in season can sink a boat or create a mold farm you may not inspect for weeks at a time, over the winter. I don't see my boat for 6-8 weeks at a time in the winter, which is too long for me to be comfortable in the water. I probably would choose the water, if I was going to stop by weekly. I've long since given up on winter projects aboard. Way to bloody cold.

Plan B is going to be to take her to Bermuda or SC for the winter and pay a local boat manager to inspect her weekly and hose her down. I already have inspected marinas in both locations and have found the local individuals to do this. Then I'll live aboard for periods of time getting things done in a temperate climate, or just get away for the winter, from time to time. While I'm stuck in RI, the hard it is.
Minni... any boat should be watched and inspected periodically in water or dry stored. To not do so is irresponsible. I try to get there once a week and at worst let two weeks go by. I don't image that a leak on the deck will sink the boat but it will require attention... re bedding a deck fitting for example. The cockpit well freezing into a block of ice would be worrying. Boats are covered in water for that reason. I don't store the boat more than an hr and now it's a half hr from where I live. No excuse to get there frequently. Plus I do projects, and organize..

You get what you pay for. I would never expect a yard or anyone to inspect my boat and do so diligently as I would... in the winter.
I have winter stored Shiva in water almost every winter she was up north with a few exceptions and have had not a single problem. That's over 34 years!

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While I agree one needs to inspect their boat routinely, I'm very comfortable with the notion that it be required more frequently in the water than on the hard. More risk in the water. Our marina offers both, but only one or two boats stay in. The slips become literally painted with seagull crap and they do not maintain them, until Spring, as the water is shut off.

I'm certainly not saying there is anything wrong with in water storage, I thought I made that clear. I just don't see it as an advantage over storing on the hard, unless you plan to be there weekly, as in your case. I can not and will not have that opportunity over the winter.

For what it's worth, the winter marinas I visited make a business out of snow bird in-water winter storage. There are manager's who do these inspections for a living, among other projects. They'll send weekly pics or video of their inspection. In a temperate climate, I'm really just asking for a security check, bilge is dry, fenders are in place and lines are secure. These folks also manage other things, such as detailing the topsides and decks. That would be luxurious to just be ready to go in the Spring.

The balance for me is the time it will take to get there and back. It's about break even to the time it takes me to decommission and commission each Fall/Spring. But with the added annoyance of not being able to specifically time the passage.


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In water storage is substantially less expensive than taking the boat out and storing dry. I found a dockaminum situation which is dirt cheap... very protected, a fair amount of boats stored in this location and "club members" who are looking after things all winter. Yes there is goose poop on the docks. Not a big deal actually. There are rules but the cost is negotiated with the slip owner. I couldn't be happier with this location and there's a West Marine two blocks away if I need something marine. For me this is a no brainer... safe, protected, inexpensive.. 25 minutes from home, very near access to marine stuff.

I can shoot up there when there is a good weather day as winter ends to recommission, bend on sails and do the running rigging... And when the really nice weather comes and water is back on... detail the boat. Close makes this sort of thing possible.

I painted the bottom this fall and may do this again.. or wait to Spring '20 do it again. There's even a handyman who does boat detailing over there.

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Sounds like a sweet arrangement, SO.

The economics at our marina are not quite as obvious. We paid approx $4,400 for winter storage on the hard, all inclusive of haul, wash bottom, stands and launch. In water would have cost $3,200 plus actual metered electricity and I don't know what that would be. I would still need to pay for a round trip in the travel lift for bottom paint, zinc, etc. No divers allowed. That's $540.

I don't think I can adequately describe the gull crap and broken clam shells on our dock over the winter. No way to walk around them, so you would be forced to track it aboard. Once we all occupied the docks again, they go elsewhere. However, these past few years, we've had mallards in the marina, during the summer. Cute but absolutely awful. You never want to walk to shore at night, without a flashlight. It looks like a pack of dogs crapped all over the dock.


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Sounds like a sweet arrangement, SO.

The economics at our marina are not quite as obvious. We paid approx $4,400 for winter storage on the hard, all inclusive of haul, wash bottom, stands and launch. In water would have cost $3,200 plus actual metered electricity and I don't know what that would be. I would still need to pay for a round trip in the travel lift for bottom paint, zinc, etc. No divers allowed. That's $540.

I don't think I can adequately describe the gull crap and broken clam shells on our dock over the winter. No way to walk around them, so you would be forced to track it aboard. Once we all occupied the docks again, they go elsewhere. However, these past few years, we've had mallards in the marina, during the summer. Cute but absolutely awful. You never want to walk to shore at night, without a flashlight. It looks like a pack of dogs crapped all over the dock.
Not to make you envious... charges are not by the foot. I paid $700 w/ electricity... which I hardly use only when I am on board. If I do work on the bottom it will be a short haul and block and then have to pay yard rates... whatever they are. I selected a corner slip with the finger on one side and no boat in the other.
They allowed me to store the dink on the dock behind the boat where they have a rack for kyacks in the summer for $100. The harbor is on a deep channel and has hurricane doors! Least expensive wet storage I found in the area was $1,700 plus electricity.

This is definitely a keeper.

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Not to make you envious.......
Too late. Even our short haul is by the foot, which always annoys me. There is zero additional effort, time or labor involved, over a shorter vessel. It's just a progressive tax.
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Too late. Even our short haul is by the foot, which always annoys me. There is zero additional effort, time or labor involved, over a shorter vessel. It's just a progressive tax.
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You guys up north getting taken advantage of

Many if not most slips on the Chesapeake are year round price so storing on land at the going rate of $22-$25 per foot is just an added unnecessary expense. Even if I pulled every year I wouldn't use a limited bottom paint.

As far as expensive bottom paint, in our case they are worth the weight in gold. Our Petit Ultima60 lasts three seasons in an area which traditionally is high in bottom growth. It does a great job .

Now if your paying full retail price or Marina price Ultima 60 might be $250 per gallon, but every year it goes on sale if you pay attention, and you can buy right for about $150. No way some cheap ass eco friendly paint can compete with 60% copper with Ingeraol. And certainly not for 3 years.

We do use Haleakula a lot so that does helook the ablative properties and we have a diver go down in July or do the zincs as well as prop. We have been using prop speed now for 5 years. By year 3 it is beginning to lose potency, but the f III retail two years the diver reports mostly clean bottom and very little prop growth.


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