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I don't understand all the changes to the rig. new mast so you can go sailing ,I understand but it is a simple upper and lower shroud with a single spreader. there i are no forward or aft lowers. don't see what the fractional rig change is going to get you and swept spreaders would be just silly on that boat. the chainplates are attached to the bulkhead which is in line with the mast step so every change you make is going make the boat even more experimental and now even more expensive if you are wrong.

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Not many changes. It is now a fractional rig in name only, because the fore-stay dies into the new mast 11 inches down from the top (jib/Genoa is now a bit "bottom heavy" which may be of interest as I am going with a 115 with a shorter luff vs 113 I ran with more luff- time will tell if this is functional). Did not move or add chain-plates (did replace them, though) and mast is more similar to original layout than not. Is still plumb (not raked, or able to be). Spreaders, tho, are coming inboard 6 inches each. We will see what all this does, in a month, with some luck and effort. Huff
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But nothing wrong with going with liability only with a boat of that value.
Bingo! I spent an unreasonable amount restoring and upgrading two 1970s boats (one power, one sail) and have carried only liability since then (17 years for one, 11 years for the other) and I still have them. Once you recognize it's sunk money you couldn't get back by selling it, it doesn't sound so bad.
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Yup- I had the best coverage, pretty much, that Boatus (now Geico) offered I could buy for a boat that old, having the Carrier up the hull coverage to their max ($3500) for a bit more per year but now it is going to be liability only, from here on out, methinks.
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Not many changes. It is now a fractional rig in name only, because the fore-stay dies into the new mast 11 inches down from the top (jib/Genoa is now a bit "bottom heavy" which may be of interest as I am going with a 115 with a shorter luff vs 113 I ran with more luff- time will tell if this is functional). Did not move or add chain-plates (did replace them, though) and mast is more similar to original layout than not. Is still plumb (not raked, or able to be). Spreaders, tho, are coming inboard 6 inches each. We will see what all this does, in a month, with some luck and effort. Huff
now I understand your plan, sounds good. I like the fact that you got a mast from Forte for 5k that is not a bad price . I installed a retractible bow sprit on my last boat and it was from Forte and it was very high quality and price was under $1500 for the complete kit which just had to be glassed into the side of the hull. My current boat the Beneteau first 30 had an option for the carbon mast with rod rigging and the up charge was 30k so i asked if the carbon mast was 30k how much do get back for not needing the stock aluminum mast and they said that was already taken into account. so they wanted 30k more then the stock mast for carbon. So we have an aluminum mast.
I like the fact that aluminum mast does not need to be painted or clear coated every 5 years. the guy across form us has a carbon mast that had clear coat and they just had the mast painted because the clear coat was falling of in sheets after only 5 years

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First sea trial, almost 8 months later, to the day. Last minute "fixes" to shore up standing rigging (I love the swageless fittings) and cast off Sunday at 16:35, returning 5 hours later. Wind was 12-15kn, seas 3-4 outside the breakwater and in Hurricane Gulch (inside break) pulled out jib abd executed some maneuvers, successfully all the while listening intently for loud, or any, noises. Then hoisted main and went past the lighthouse into the channel. More wind and some seaway going and went hard into it, gybed (intentional) and went back into port. She handled super on all points of sail attempted and when back in the slip checked rig tune and pretty much the same as when starting.

So far, so good.

My initial impressions- considering there wasn't much loss of weight, maybe 15 lbs total, so no huge gain in reducing heel, but much of that is up high- the original spreaders are beefy enough to be a close quarters weapon and the new version is feather light (and 5.5 inches shorter, each) and the masthead is lighter. This isn't a bad thing as the initial and reserve stability is still good and not "twitchy". The new stick is much stiffer, but still flexes well enough, from early observation. First test was without battens in the main and standing rigging tensioned by feel and sighting up the mast and forestay. I will do more formal documentation in the future and will post more as time goes on.

Was it worth it? Time will tell but getting the old girl with a new dress into the wind was pretty much priceless.

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3rd sea trial and first single-handing of the boat since the event. Even tho the foot is sagging, new foresail is pulling well such that the optimal sheeting angle is nor agian back on the fore-deck to the original primary winches. I like this a lot and it was an unintentional byproduct that is delightful. Little more foot than I initially wanted but to go back to those old winches is a great thing (pic attached)

Other pic attached- I was so desperate for shade I used what I had hanging around- we had bought these umbrellas for camping at the beach and they did not work very well and stayed in my laundry room for a lot of years. They have a "spike" that comes thru the bottom of the handle that I just cable-tied to the stanchions. Worked great except for that window of time in the middle of the day that I would have to hide. Wow, it was hot. Even tho they did not provide a lot of shade, they did a good job and now they are probably off to the Goodwill.

Boat does have less heel but not by much and it is uncertain I am conveniently believing so. She seems consistently a wee bit faster with less weather helm such that the tiller input is easier but not mushy.

Rigging tension has eased up a bit. I have a tension gauge and started using it but need more confidence in my readings before making adjustments by other than feel. I will start a log. I do want to get into the habit of de-tensioning the standing rigging after the end of each run so to minimize racking the hull and unnecessary stretch of the wire rope.

In the one pic you can see- installed a Boomkicker and it seems to work well but have not really put it thru its paces, yet. Can say that in approx 10 knots of wind I was able to maintain 5+ pretty easily with adjusting the twist via the vang. Started playing with the cunningham cringle rove thru a flip-flop block and more on that later.

Big thing now is to get rid if the GD termites that have returned. Ugh. I will probably end up professionally gassing with something really noxious, like Vikane. I am tired of them.

Wish me luck!

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Good job Huff. We have a couple of umbrellas like that but ours have nylon C clamps built into the handle. They clamp onto the pushpit rail and can be adjusted to angle in various directions. They are not great for higher wind speeds of course but we don't need protection when the wind blows. Don't be in a rush to erect a permanent tent over the cockpit, sailing in the open is far nicer.

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I agree about the "open cockpit" even though it can be a bit dangerous, exposure-wise, to the elements, but it is part of what makes the joy and charm of sailing. I also don't go for the cloth panels set into the stanchions- I very much enjoy watching the water go by! If I sailed the tropics it might be a different story. Huff
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