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I found out that you can rent a Sat phone for like $100 for the month.
Really???????????????

Got a link to that one?

I see rentals about USD $500 per month.

If you can see it at $100 per month I would be interested.

https://www.satphone.co.uk/rent/

https://www.globaltelesat.co.uk/rent/phone-rental

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I have never asked a crew member to pay for anything themselves, including liquor, as they are helping me do the job of moving the boat..
Please educate me a little on a legal point. I was once told that crew coming on board and providing nothing (no food, drinks, money for fuel, etc) are considered volunteer guests and take on the risk of sailing themselves. However, if they provide any sort of compensation (like food, drinks, money for fuel) then they are considered paying customers so the skipper must be licensed, the skipper takes all the risk and is open to be sued should something happen. When traveling to regattas, I make it a point to provide all drinks, food, transportation expenses, rooms and anything else necessary to ensure my crew falls into the guest category. Of course, the best course of action is not to invite anyone that would sue you in the first place.

Was I wrongly informed?

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Please educate me a little on a legal point. I was once told that crew coming on board and providing nothing (no food, drinks, money for fuel, etc) are considered volunteer guests and take on the risk of sailing themselves. However, if they provide any sort of compensation (like food, drinks, money for fuel) then they are considered paying customers so the skipper must be licensed, the skipper takes all the risk and is open to be sued should something happen. When traveling to regattas, I make it a point to provide all drinks, food, transportation expenses, rooms and anything else necessary to ensure my crew falls into the guest category. Of course, the best course of action is not to invite anyone that would sue you in the first place.

Was I wrongly informed?

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Please educate me a little on a legal point. I was once told that crew coming on board and providing nothing (no food, drinks, money for fuel, etc) are considered volunteer guests and take on the risk of sailing themselves. However, if they provide any sort of compensation (like food, drinks, money for fuel) then they are considered paying customers so the skipper must be licensed, the skipper takes all the risk and is open to be sued should something happen. When traveling to regattas, I make it a point to provide all drinks, food, transportation expenses, rooms and anything else necessary to ensure my crew falls into the guest category. Of course, the best course of action is not to invite anyone that would sue you in the first place.



Was I wrongly informed?



Thanks in advance.
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Please educate me a little on a legal point. I was once told that crew coming on board and providing nothing (no food, drinks, money for fuel, etc) are considered volunteer guests and take on the risk of sailing themselves. However, if they provide any sort of compensation (like food, drinks, money for fuel) then they are considered paying customers so the skipper must be licensed, the skipper takes all the risk and is open to be sued should something happen. When traveling to regattas, I make it a point to provide all drinks, food, transportation expenses, rooms and anything else necessary to ensure my crew falls into the guest category. Of course, the best course of action is not to invite anyone that would sue you in the first place.

Was I wrongly informed?

Thanks in advance.
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Section 2101 of title 46 (5a) defines “consideration” as an economic benefit, inducement, right, or profit including pecuniary (fancy attorney word for money) payment accruing to an individual, person, or entity, but not including a voluntary sharing of the actual expenses of the voyage, by monetary contribution or donation of fuel, food, beverage, or other supplies.” Additionally, employees or business clients that have not contributed for their carriage, and are carried for morale or entertainment purposes, are not considered as an exchange of consideration.

Bottom line: If you are a recreational boater, you are allowed to share expenses for a day on the water. Just don’t make payment mandatory if someone wants a boat ride.
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Really???????????????

Got a link to that one?

I see rentals about USD $500 per month.

If you can see it at $100 per month I would be interested.

https://www.satphone.co.uk/rent/

https://www.globaltelesat.co.uk/rent/phone-rental

The guy I spoke to is in NYC., its an Iridium phone
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And I was wrong about the price - it was $199 for a month - just checked, its the same price. And because I am local - I was picking it up and returning it to the store. https://www.geofone.net/order-forms/...ridium-thuraya

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How many minutes does that include? How much data? Which device?
Have found phones are cheap. They get you on data and/or minutes. That’s true for satellite or out of country cellphone chips.
Now a days would be suspect of any voyaging captain who hasn’t set up suitable offshore comm on his own. Can’t think of a friend without some form of appropriate set of devices. Do increasingly see people forgoing SSB but not the other stuff to at least the extent of some level of redundancy. I don’t have a InReach. I’m pleased when crew brings one along or an extra epirb, Spot, sat phone etc. On the other side I won’t crew on an offshore boat that doesn’t have adequate comm and nav gear. I would also wonder what else is sketchy.
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The guy I spoke to is in NYC., its an Iridium phone
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And I was wrong about the price - it was $199 for a month - just checked, its the same price. And because I am local - I was picking it up and returning it to the store. https://www.geofone.net/order-forms/...ridium-thuraya

https://www.geofone.net/

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If the cost is +/- $200 for one month, it's a good deal for a delivery or a passage from say NE to the Caribbean. I think it would be prudent to have on board and it's not going to break the budget.
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If I double bag, will bagels and tortillas last a bit or will they get soggy ,quickly, no matter what? Chocolate stash will be huge, the question will be if I have the control to NOT make it my primary food source?
A trick I learned long ago, that I truly believe works, is to store bread, chips, bagels, etc in the microwave. I assume it's an air exchange thing.

That said, bagels wouldn't last a passage I don't think. Tortilla chips do reasonably well, if you roll the top over and clip it closed to reduce air exchange. My wife just crumples the top and it drives me crazy. Bring several smaller bags, so you can open them incrementally. The unopened will be unaffected.


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Was I wrongly informed?

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As mentioned, crew can pay their proportion of variable costs, without violating commercial requirements for the Captain and vessel.

I'm more familiar with the same provision in aviation, where proportionate cost sharing is also allowed. These cost must include only fuel and fees for the trip. You can't charge a portion of your hangar or insurance, for example. The real key in aviation is that everyone aboard has to have been planning the exact same trip for the exact same purpose. IOW, the pilot can't agree to fly someone to their destination for their proportionate cost of the fuel. He has to have intended to be going there anyway.

There is another compensation concept that one might be weary over. The notion that one is receiving experience alone is considered compensation by the FAA. One is not allowed to accept that compensation, without a commercial license, which is more the burden of one's crew in the OPs case. I'm not sure how the USCG sees this point.


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