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I have never done what you will be doing. So take my advice with a pinch of salt.
I have crewed, I have skippered, on a paid or commercial basis. I was dealing with a well known reputable company so I trusted the situation.
I have never crewed or found crew casually.

Even with a reputable company. I carried my own cash or in later life credit card.with sufficient funds to get me home. JIK it all goes pear shaped. Never did.
If I was doing it on the basis you are I would be double sure to have my own get out of jail card, JIK.

Part of sailing as paying crew on a boat. For me I knew the company and it’s rep so I trusted the Skipper. Trusted the boat, based on trusting the company. Skippers rep with company was a big deal. I don’t do sail with people I don’t know. Other than recognized business relationship.

Good luck enjoy the trip hopefully it will all go well. With none of my concerns coming up.
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Yes. Crew prorated contributions to actual expenses is not compensation.


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Section 2101 of title 46 (5a) defines “consideration” as an economic benefit, inducement, right, or profit including pecuniary (fancy attorney word for money) payment accruing to an individual, person, or entity, but not including a voluntary sharing of the actual expenses of the voyage, by monetary contribution or donation of fuel, food, beverage, or other supplies.” Additionally, employees or business clients that have not contributed for their carriage, and are carried for morale or entertainment purposes, are not considered as an exchange of consideration.

Bottom line: If you are a recreational boater, you are allowed to share expenses for a day on the water. Just don’t make payment mandatory if someone wants a boat ride.
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Please educate me a little on a legal point. I was once told that crew coming on board and providing nothing (no food, drinks, money for fuel, etc) are considered volunteer guests and take on the risk of sailing themselves. However, if they provide any sort of compensation (like food, drinks, money for fuel) then they are considered paying customers so the skipper must be licensed, the skipper takes all the risk and is open to be sued should something happen. When traveling to regattas, I make it a point to provide all drinks, food, transportation expenses, rooms and anything else necessary to ensure my crew falls into the guest category. Of course, the best course of action is not to invite anyone that would sue you in the first place.

Was I wrongly informed?

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Sorry for the delay, but we've been on charter, far beyond the internet.
Strictly speaking, any contributions from those sailing on someone's boat, within US waters are considered payment for services rendered, by the USCG. However, it is rarely policed and mostly if it is someone taking business from local vendors, who will report the offending 'captain', who is usually unlicensed as well.
In my case, most of my crew have been doing ocean passages and deliveries far beyond the jurisdiction of the USCG.

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Thanks Capta. I sincerely appreciate your responses regarding this topic but many others as well.
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Hello, I've landed my first gig crewing from Ensenada, BC to La Paz BC. Provided I don't get sick or injured in the next few weeks, this will be a 2-3 week journey. I've researched the Captain as best I can, I feel confident in the journey and my skills and ability (well for what my experience level is). This will be my first time on an extended sail and offshore. Any tips or advice regarding this endeavor that you would recommend? I would call this stage 3 in my goal of setting sail with the family, I look forward to learning as much as possible to gain confidence in this arena and most importantly want to return to my wife and 10 y/o son (I have no doubt I will). Thanks
From a different perspective written by a boat owner..an interesting article which appeared in last months ‘Blue Water Sailing’ vol. 8 2018 titled: “Taking on Crew for a Long Passage”.. if someone has the capability/availability to copy and past..some may find it of interest...
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In terms of returning may want to check out who’s your fellow crew members. I always share crew information after getting permission to do so. If your captain doesn’t it says something about him. The thread about the crew jumping off the boat and suiciding is a trip I wouldn’t want to sign on for.

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The thread about the crew jumping off the boat and suiciding is a trip I wouldn’t want to sign on for.
Are you saying that you think that captain is in any way responsible for the events that occurred, from what we have heard so far? How would you deal with the same situation, keeping in mind that the upset crew member could be a danger to your other crew members?
Just asking to spark a conversation, not criticizing at all.

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Just pointing out the safety and pleasure of a voyage depends on all the crew as well as the captain. Folks talked about vetting the captain which is wise. But think vetting the other people on board and the boat should be included. Some of my most unpleasant trips have been due to other crew.
Just on a personal level if you like the folks on the boat before you leave it’s more likely you will when you’re done with the trip.
Have made some good friends that way.

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Since this thread drifted way off course I'll get'er back on track.

For the record; Tour complete! It went well. My first offshore voyage, several overnight passages, night watches, night sails, too strong wind, not enough wind, confused seas, flat calm seas and eight too twelve foot seas, dreaming crazy dreams, whales, sea turtles, dolphins, flying fish and squid. It was a pretty complete package.

I showed up in Ensenada, Baja, Mexico on a Wednesday afternoon for my first face to face meeting with the Captain/ Boat owner. I had seen a picture of him on-line while doing my research into who the hell I was leaving my family for for 3 weeks to sail 1200 miles with in which I had never done. He was pretty much exactly how I pictured him via the picture...It would be nearly a week before the boat projects were complete, the other crew member arrived, the boat put back in the water and the seas and winds conspired to conform to our plan. During this time on the hard I helped with installing a new roller fuller for the jib and other little projects. Hanging around a boat yard for a week you meet some interesting characters, hear some intriguing stories and get to ask lots and lots of questions regarding boat designs and features. I felt as if I had learned a ton before we ever set sail. Just to be sure you know, this wasn't my first time sailing, I've got a WWP 19 and had a Catalina Capri 14 that I started with just 2 years ago after the brilliant idea of re-kindling this relationship with free wind occurred.

I had grown up on the Chesapeake Bay wind surfing as a kid and sailing a Catamaran and a little sun flower in North Carolinas' Currituck Sound at our families cottage. As a life long surfer I had the dream of which many have of traveling the world on my boat and surfing perfect waves and absorbing local customs and cultures in order to expand my understanding and appreciation for my brief visit on this planet. Well after damn near 26 years of rock climbing and messing with ropes I yearned to get back to the sea and things that could provide new adventure and meaning in my life, now, my families life too! Sailing would be it, we will take this adventure on as a party of 3, they agreed (hahahaha) and hence the Capri 14 began this journey where I find myself at 2 am some 50 miles from land on a 1973 Cascade 38....

This was however my first time at sea staring the unknown straight in its face. Finally leaving Ensenada with the co-operation of Mother Nature the Tuesday after I had first arrived the decreasing seas were still 8-12' winds light in the morning forecasted to increase to around 10-15 kts. or so, 'or so' would be the common denominator. We motored out of Ensenada passing between Todos Santos island(s) and La Bufadora. This would be the one and only time I got sick. I think it was due to an empty stomach filled with coffee, pop tart, an apple a dose of diesel fumes combined with 8-12' seas and a dash more of diesel exhaust. I heaved too, took some dramamine and was ready for some saltines a little while later. A 2 night passage ensued where on the third morning we would be beating into Bahia Tortuga thus the first leg was in the books. We spent that night and the following at anchorage. On night 1 the Capt. stayed in a hotel on land and the other crew and myself had the boat and the beers to ourselves! That gave us time to discuss certain demeanors and such as my judgements of character are pretty damn spot on. Fortunately for me the original 'other' crew member bailed last minute and his replacement was a younger guy by 30 years (not from me but from the original crew who bailed) who I hit it off with and we would be each others sounding board when there would be communication issues from the top. Like what is organic and what is not! Wrapping my head around what types of organics I would put in my compost pile at home versus what type of organics a person may discard in the ocean are two completely different definitions. It didn't require a masters dissertation to convey these differences. The communication improved. Two more nights to Magdalena Bay. Two more nights at anchorage, a provisioning run into Puerto San Carlos, mainly for water and more fishing lures. Only ever caught a bunch of Bonito, threw those guys back, as we were chasing giants. Never happened. One more overnight passage to Cabo San Lucas. A night in the marina where showers and laundry were done. I'd have to say the 'Baja Naval' marina up in Ensenada had way better showers and nobody once tried to sell us a bunch of cocaine or offer us trips to the moon. Get me the f*$% out of here!! Second night at anchor off the beach, east of all the time share/ condo mayhem. The northers were forecast to be nil rounding the east cape and making our way to La Paz. We had a brief morning sail past San Jose Del Cabo followed by a long day of motoring. We opted for a short 6 hour bivy in Ensenada de los Muertos, Cove of the Dead. I dreamed that night as if I had ate too much acid back in the 80's, geez! What with the name of that place? As the nights we spent at anchor in 'Man of War Cove' up in Mag Bay were capped full of crazy dreams as well. Coincidence? Awoke at 3am and motored all the way to La Paz, giant margarita ordered!

Great experience and good times, shopping for the next boat and planning our escape!

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