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Cody_Stl 04-29-2019 07:35 AM

First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Hello!

My wife and I are seriously considering sailing as an early retirement, but we live no where near an ocean! We live in Missouri and already have our vacation planned for this year. BUT, we are really looking for some like minded individuals who are already sailing/cruising to take us out and show us the ropes (pun intended). As I understand it the Caribbean/Bahama cruising season is winter/outside hurricane season? If so, we would LOVE to find someone and make plans to go on a cruise with them aboard their vessel late this winter (preferably after the new year).

The cost of chartering a boat is just ridiculous, and though we plan on getting our first sailing class out of the way this summer hopefully, we would be nowhere near wanting to take a boat cruising on our own(experience wise). We are fast learners and eager to work, so we would quickly be able to help and do work on board to pull our weight!

We are NOT looking for a free ride by any means either! We would be willing and happy to pay for food, fuel, entertainment? Whatever takes the burden off and makes having company for a short while worth it. I'm sure these costs, along with our own transportation costs, would still be far below the cost of chartering a captained excursion+ provisioning, transportation, entertainment, etc.

We are looking to learn, though we won't burden you with questions if they are getting old! We are also just looking to see how we like/tolerate being on a boat for a significant period of time. We would be able to take off from work for probably a little over 2 weeks, so the excursion can't be too crazy long as we have to account for travel time. Someone based in Florida would be fantastic, allowing us to drive in, and drive back out further reducing our cost (and freeing our purse strings even more for fun and food for all on board) :-)

We are only 7 short years from an empty nest and able to cast off our Missouri lines. I am 35, wife is 30 years of age. We are both in good physical condition. We both work in Public Safety, like meeting new people, easy to get along with (our job kind of requires it), we like movies/shows, boating(river jet boating currently), camping, hiking, dining, cooking, occasional theater productions, among many other things/interests! Oh, and I am a pretty mean cook, so I can cook for ya too!

So, will you help us to experience sailing and decide if this dream is for us? We hope you can! email me with any questions or to start making these grand plans!

Or if anyone can help us experience sailing/point is in a direction without the $4k+ price tag of just a bareboat charter...we would be greatly appreciative.

[email protected]

Cheers,

Cody & Jaime

SanderO 04-29-2019 08:03 AM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Welcome.... Interesting proposition. However, I can't see you'll find many takers for a number of reasons. Here are a few.

Most cruisers who are not chartering are not legally allowed to take people for hire. So the money exchange thing enters murky legal waters.

I don't think most cruisers would need the cash your prepared to pay... paying your way. They've pretty much worked out their finances.

Most cruisers are leery about taking anyone who has no experience on their boat for anything but a day sail. You as crew is an unknown... will be be helpful? Will you be "in the way" or require attention or be a distraction? Will you need to be "entertained" or watched for any number of reasons? And of course being on a small boat for a week or two requires you get on with the crew or passengers. It's like... inviting strangers to spend a week in your vacation home. People invite friends... not strangers.

Cruisers will worry that you may break something... or hurt yourself... so there will be orientation class... to be on their boat. For many this is a worry... more than a pleasure. Charter boats are providing a paid for service and all of this goes with the territory.

Cruising boats are generally of a size... usually without accommodation for several guests... they're small to begin with and can be crowded. While there may be places for sleeping a group.. it starts to feel very crowded fast.

Being landlocked makes it hard to find a sailor to befriend who might take you out for some day sails. They might want company... or appreciate helpful crew. I haven't a clue how you can make such friendships from where you are or even if you lived at the seaside. Possible but difficult. But sure older sailors might appreciate young strong help.

You're in a tough place... interested in sailing with little access. A structured learn to sail program might be the way to go... Take a holiday... learn to sail... get on some boats.

Good luck!

MarkofSeaLife 04-29-2019 08:05 AM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Pity you are not in London taday as I sail for France tomorrow.

Good luck 🙂

MarkofSeaLife 04-29-2019 08:09 AM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
BTW reasonable cost sharing is allowed before its called a charter.

And....

I vastly prefer people who can't sail as crew :)

But each to their own and YYGYMWVASDFTER or whatever that acronym is :wink

Cody_Stl 04-29-2019 01:51 PM

Thank you for the replies folks. I know we are asking a lot and it's a long shot for sure. We split vacation homes/lodging every year with friends and other couples we spend time with. We are super easy to get along with...but I know it's hard to get someone to take that chance. Especially with no experience sailing. We could end up spending half the time seas sick! Lol So we know it's a long shot...we just don't wanna spend $5-10k on a charted & captained one week trip to get our feet wet. I'll remain hopeful and keep posting here and there...hope there are more MarkofSeaLifes out there, possibly in the united states area 😊

Cheers

gulfsail 04-29-2019 01:54 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
I'd recommend a cruising class.

You get your feet wet, learn something, and find out if you like it all at the same time.

22catcapri 04-29-2019 05:07 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Although my wife and I are much older, we opted for a basic keelboat class one November with Offshore Sailing (after we bought our "yacht"), and bareboat cruising/basic cruising classes the next fall. The instruction, plus many days on our Colorado reservoir, served us well. We now have three Carib charters under our belt and more charters to come. Good luck!

JimMcGee 04-29-2019 05:37 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
My wife and I were about your age when we got into sailing. We did a two day introduction to sailing course that taught us just enough to be dangerous in a daysailer.

If you're giving serious thought to liveaboard cruising you might consider a "cruising" course. Spring and fall are great times to take a course in Annapolis (there are several good schools there) or in the winter in Florida (again there are several good schools with the Offshore Sailing School being very good).

The advantage of a class over trying to learn from a random person is the instructor will be following a course that will give you a firm grounding in the basics. There will be no yelling and instructors are good at making sure you BOTH learn. Offshore Sailing School has a Fast Track to Cruising Course. Prices will vary with the time of year.

For something low key there's the Key Lime Sailing Club in Key Largo. They do ASA 101 courses up to Coastal Cruising courses. Their boats are a little older (so less expensive) and like most things in the Keys they're probably a little more laid back.

Whatever you decide I'd recommend not taking a course until you are close to buying a boat, even if that boat is a small daysailer. You'll forget a lot of what you learn if you don't use it.

There's a VERY active sailing community around you in St Louis including some local sailing schools in places like Creve Coeur Lake.

Good luck with whatever you decide

hellosailor 04-30-2019 05:11 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Mark-
"BTW reasonable cost sharing is allowed before its called a charter."
The USCG issued their clarification on that around 1990. If the folks have a pre-existing relationship, and the payment is *entirely* voluntary, it is not a charter. If the folks don't know you form Adam...no clear statement but "charter" will be considered. Similarly, if you each toss 1000$ in a "cruising kitty car" and pull form it as the trip goes on, that's not clarified. A conservative captain, and friends who want to ensure there is no problem, will do what they always did: After the trip is over, they'll all VOLUNTARILY kick in to the kitty, fuel the boat, whatever they're going to do.
But it all has to be voluntary, all the way to the end, to keep it perfectly clear of the "charter" landmines. If you take the money from strangers up front...risky business in the US legal system.

Don0190 04-30-2019 06:01 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Oh "rules" and crap be damn. We are semi lonely and wouldn't mind having an interested couple along for a week. We are currently in Ft Myers Fl heading slowly up to New Orleans and then Texas, we don't over plan (sometimes we barely plan).

If flexible and interested send me a PM for your dates and I'll let you know what I think our plans might be in that time frame and you can decide if you are interested.

RegisteredUser 04-30-2019 06:10 PM

Probably be a fun thing for all.
Real cruise experuence for them.
Cool

MarkofSeaLife 04-30-2019 07:09 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hellosailor (Post 2051599346)
The USCG issued their clarification on that around 1990. .


I'm not totally sure, but would the USCG have anything to do with the US? Because the OP was talking the Caribbean which mostly ain't the US :wink:grin:devil:2 boat:

capta 04-30-2019 08:02 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Obviously, I'm biased as a charter boat operator (not a sailing teacher, so please do not look at this post as seeking customers), but have you considered the quality of the educational experience between an experienced professional crew and what you might get for your money with amateur pleasure sailors? For instance, charter boats have a schedule to keep and must sail in any weather, not sit around some nice anchorage waiting for a weather window.
The difference might just be worth the 'ridiculous' cost of a chartered boat and crew.

Don0190 04-30-2019 08:28 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkofSeaLife (Post 2051599374)
I'm not totally sure, but would the USCG have anything to do with the US? Because the OP was talking the Caribbean which mostly ain't the US :wink:grin:devil:2 boat:

I believe the answer is “ only if it was on a US boat”

Minnewaska 05-01-2019 07:04 AM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
I'd have to look it up and I'm not interested in the research project. I'm willing to bet that it's legal for anyone to pay their own direct variable expenses aboard any vessel that is willing to take them along on a trip the vessel was making anyway. That's definitely the way private vs commercial aircraft work.

The sticky part is paying anything above those direct variable costs, which would be considered compensation. Your own food would not. Buying the skippers food or paying their bar tab would. Splitting the cost of fuel is a grey area, because the fuel would have been burned either way. It is permitted in aviation, no more than proportionately. If two aboard, "the passenger" can't pay more than half. The cost sharing does not have to be voluntary, it just can't be more than the passengers portion of variable costs.

In the end, the commercial licensing authorities (ie USCG) would not be my first concern. The insurance company would. They look for reasons not to pay. If the passenger is injured and makes a claim against a liability policy, you can bet the insurance company is going to get very particular about the terms on which they were aboard in the first place. If determined to be a commercial use, with a recreational policy, they will not cover. This could also be the case, if just the boat is damaged and it was only a hull claim.

Further, as a passenger, one might want to understand what insurance protection there might be. That, of course, is up to them. The Captain is liable for the safety of their crew, with or without insurance. The "passenger crew" may also be liable to the owner for any damage they cause.

Worst case scenarios are pretty unlikely to happen, just keep your eyes open.

capta 05-01-2019 08:28 AM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don0190 (Post 2051599394)
I believe the answer is “ only if it was on a US boat”

I can assure you that the USCG isn't interested in policing US boats outside US waters. They hardly patrol down here anymore for anti-drug operations, let alone stopping some US flagged cruising boat to see if it is chartering illegally.
Pretty much the only way the CG is going to get involved in an illegal charter situation is if there is an accident or if someone sets up a business as an unlicensed captain and is undercutting the local charter fleet.

Don0190 05-01-2019 08:28 AM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
this is turning into such a crazy freakin fear discussion

You guys are basically saying you can't have friends/guests on your boat unless you pay all their expenses. You guys must have freeloading friends just lining up to come vacation on your boat where you pay for all the food and drink etc.

JimMcGee 05-01-2019 04:11 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
If my buddy brings beer on board does that make me a charter captain? :grin

chef2sail 05-01-2019 04:23 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JimMcGee (Post 2051599542)
If my buddy brings beer on board does that make me a charter captain? :grin

Nope...makes you a fellow beer drinkers...lol

Stevo Rud 05-02-2019 04:19 AM

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Cody .... So its your lucky day.. check your email ..If you think you could do something or pull something off in next month or two I have a 44 foot Charter yacht . 09 Jeanneau sun Odyssey 44i 3 stateroom /3 head Charter model ....that I bought At the tail end of last summer been doing a re-fit and cosmetic. We’re getting ready in the next few weeks to beginning of next month To sail down to the Caribbean and then eventually to Costa Rica Cross the canal and make our way to the west coast for a charter operation partnership. The boat is two hours south of Baltimore .the Yacht can easilysleeps eight we only have three .You would have your own state room and bathroom as you come aboard and learn about boating in a very relaxed setting .. when we do leave we can stay in touch I can give you a rough itinerary when we’re going to be on the East Coast and through the Caribbean islands you could jump on jump off by a one-way ticket on the way back .I have a few friends that are planning on doing this while I go threw the Caribbean .When I’m closer to the date I can give you a rough timelineOf where we are approximate be and maybe meet up at the port of call.. As for the people on the boat we’re all in our 30s . So it will be a good group of people ...I’m divorced 32 yr contractor from upstate NY.

Been sailing for as long as I can remember.I don’t have a problem having newbies on the boat sailing is pretty simple it’s not rocket science.And especially on a 44 foot boat there’s plenty a room to spread out.And if anybody else is reading this shoot me a private message who knows I’m not up against having a full crew of like-minded travelers . as im a avid world traveler and A previous chef and bartenderAlways looking for adventures and good times.
Regards

Steve


QUOTE=Cody_Stl;2051598976]Hello!

My wife and I are seriously considering sailing as an early retirement, but we live no where near an ocean! We live in Missouri and already have our vacation planned for this year. BUT, we are really looking for some like minded individuals who are already sailing/cruising to take us out and show us the ropes (pun intended). As I understand it the Caribbean/Bahama cruising season is winter/outside hurricane season? If so, we would LOVE to find someone and make plans to go on a cruise with them aboard their vessel late this winter (preferably after the new year).

The cost of chartering a boat is just ridiculous, and though we plan on getting our first sailing class out of the way this summer hopefully, we would be nowhere near wanting to take a boat cruising on our own(experience wise). We are fast learners and eager to work, so we would quickly be able to help and do work on board to pull our weight!

We are NOT looking for a free ride by any means either! We would be willing and happy to pay for food, fuel, entertainment? Whatever takes the burden off and makes having company for a short while worth it. I'm sure these costs, along with our own transportation costs, would still be far below the cost of chartering a captained excursion+ provisioning, transportation, entertainment, etc.

We are looking to learn, though we won't burden you with questions if they are getting old! We are also just looking to see how we like/tolerate being on a boat for a significant period of time. We would be able to take off from work for probably a little over 2 weeks, so the excursion can't be too crazy long as we have to account for travel time. Someone based in Florida would be fantastic, allowing us to drive in, and drive back out further reducing our cost (and freeing our purse strings even more for fun and food for all on board) 🙂

We are only 7 short years from an empty nest and able to cast off our Missouri lines. I am 35, wife is 30 years of age. We are both in good physical condition. We both work in Public Safety, like meeting new people, easy to get along with (our job kind of requires it), we like movies/shows, boating(river jet boating currently), camping, hiking, dining, cooking, occasional theater productions, among many other things/interests! Oh, and I am a pretty mean cook, so I can cook for ya too!

So, will you help us to experience sailing and decide if this dream is for us? We hope you can! email me with any questions or to start making these grand plans!

Or if anyone can help us experience sailing/point is in a direction without the $4k+ price tag of just a bareboat charter...we would be greatly appreciative.

[email protected]

Cheers,

Cody & Jaime[/QUOTE]

Zemurray 05-02-2019 10:03 PM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
If Stevo’s offer doesn’t pan out for you, I’d suggest just doing your ASA courses. You’ll get a feel for sailing over multiple days and it will be enough for you to decide if you’d like to invest in a boat for continuing the adventure.

Being in Missouri, you could do as my wife and I did, and sign up for an ASA101,103 and even 104 in Pensacola FL. We found a sailing school with a captain that only does couples. He prefers teaching couples as opposed to larger shared classes. We spent 4 days sailing in FL with one on one instruction, for about half the cost of a charter boat.

The experience gave us the confidence and knowledge to proceed with buying a small used boat, which we did, and now sail out of the same Pensacola area. The benefit of this approach is that you’ll get a taste for sailing, proper instruction, and a pass a certification all at the same time. Nothing wrong with crewing, but if your serious then spending $2000 on proper instruction is nothing. We would love to cruise full time, however now we have the means to continue improving our skills, learning, getting experience, and do some “commuter cruising” for a few years before taking off around the world. Like a “crawl, walk, run” approach.

Don0190 05-03-2019 08:05 AM

Re: First Timers Looking for a Short Trip..
 
personally I think this thread was a troll as the OP hasn't responded in 3 days


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