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Re: Record Breaking Circumnavigation

Sorry, Capt Ryan, but though I wish you all the health & happiness in the world this sounds like another 'all-theory' speculator working too much out on paper before actually doing anything towards the goal. I know; I've been guilty of that too.

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What record is it that's going to be broken? --longest circumnavigation to date? Hey; I'm a candidate for that one-- 60 years sailing and still in the Atlantic Seaboard. But I'm working on it.

Why use a catamaran? --this reminds me of little Abby Sunderland choosing the wrong boat for a commercially-funded voyage (free money) and failing in the extreme. I wouldn't get caught dead in a catamaran at sea. Just following the old rule-- if the wave is higher than the boat is wide, it's a capsize risk-- just imagine the size of wave that's going to upset a catamaran. Probably smash it to bits while it's at it. And then what?

I agree with Jammer Six, who reminds us of what Francis Chichester said. Chichester saw no reason to have a launching party to celebrate a boat that hadn't done anything yet. Better to have the party to celebrate when it's all over. And, as it turned out, his boat (GM 4) turned out to be positively awful on just about every mark-- would not self-steer (broke its own self-steerer), was awful at heaving to, spent most of the trip heeled at 35-45 degrees. Chichester missed his 'record-breaking' target by like 6 days and called it a failure. For sure he would done much better with a more conventional full-keel cutter or ketch than with Illingworth's tipsy, underweight, over-long mistake. So there's something against defying conventional wisdom after all.

Ideally this enterprise could be made very pleasant by choosing a great overweight blimp like Dodge Morgan did. Morgan celebrated passing Cape Horn by trimming all his sails electrically, having a hot shower, eating a hot meal, and chatting on the Internet with with his family and friends. I fail to see how ANYONE could NOT do it given every conceivable aid to convenience and unlimited funding, such as Morgan had. There's no valuable record being set there (except maybe 'most money spent on circumnavigation'). I'd contend he wasn't even doing it 'solo', for all the assistance he had.

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I once began writing a novel about a little girl (17) who circumnavigates in a J-27. (Strictly an armchair-traveler work.) I did oodles of research and concluded that there IS an 'easy' (note use of quotes) way to do this... if one chooses the right time and conditions in which to go. Viewed as a port-to-port rally, the trip has only two passages over about two weeks: the Atlantic and the western Pacific. Nearly all the rest could be kept to a range commensurate with the life of bag ice in a '5-day' cooler. At this point it could *almost* be done in a dinghy.

Then again I'm the guy who suggested in sailboatowners.com that one could probably round Cape Horn with a Laser... given the right conditions-- which is really the single most important element in all of this.

Just a thought.
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...Capt. Ryan Langley
So basically your thread is to direct people to your website where you will document your adventure (currently still a paper adventure) and hope that they donate?

I'm starting to feel my age. In my day if you don't have your own money to do something, you work harder to get your own money or don't do it. But that's just me.

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So basically your thread is to direct people to your website where you will document your adventure (currently still a paper adventure) and hope that they donate?

I'm starting to feel my age. In my day if you don't have your own money to do something, you work harder to get your own money or don't do it. But that's just me.
Come on Donna, that's so old school. Didn't that idea go out with the full keeler, Cqr's, trysails, do it your self repairs, windvanes and such?

Crowd funding, GPS, Mfd's and a bit o Daddy's money are the rage now. Looks like the snowflakes are making their way into our old world. Time to set sail before too much more of this crappola finds it way here.
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A bit of Daddy's money? Those Mahe 36's are $200 000 used!
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Well then, he needs a gal with a PHD..pappa has dough


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Come on Donna, that's so old school. Didn't that idea go out with the full keeler, Cqr's, trysails, do it your self repairs, windvanes and such?

Crowd funding, GPS, Mfd's and a bit o Daddy's money are the rage now. Looks like the snowflakes are making their way into our old world. Time to set sail before too much more of this crappola finds it way here.
Well, I can't throw stones at inheritance but forcryingoutloud! If you fall short, why is the first reaction these days to go looking to strangers to give you money just because you're you? With practically nothing in return for the person giving the money? Sure, there are lots of people posting sailing videos and some turned into a lucrative adventure but I think the ones who were most successful had something more than "look at me I'm sailing!" to offer. The Shards for example. They bought their first boat with their own funds (presumably, since they started before the gofundme-type sites were born), posted videos for free and then when people showed an interest started selling them. You knew what you were getting before you handed over any money. Before my local cable channel started showing them I purchased the first ten seasons on DVD. I learned a lot about sailing to different destinations, I learned a lot about the countries they visited. I learned a lot about sailing as a couple. Even the boaters who turned their adventures into books for sale gave me something in return for my "donation" (and let's be honest, most of those books aren't all that good).

On the other hand, I suppose it doesn't hurt to try sticking your hand out and hoping a few coins drop out of the ethernet. It's just not my way of doing things.

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On the other hand, I suppose it doesn't hurt to try sticking your hand out and hoping a few coins drop out of the ethernet. It's just not my way of doing things.
I think we live in a fools paradise... and we are the fools.

We had rich countries, we worked hard. We give money to non-working strangers on the street so they don't have to work. We feel war is bad so we let the protagonists into our countries to change our communities to be like the wars they came from.

I feel it time to take back our righteousness and call out people who beg for money, like this thread, as the utter scum they are.

Begger, bugger off!!



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"Scum" is a little harsh. I suppose all this is nothing new in the history of humankind. The something new is the internet.
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"Scum" is a little harsh. I suppose all this is nothing new in the history of humankind. The something new is the internet.

It may be tolerance level has overflowed.


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Someone gave Slocum his boat, and he was hosted and entertained a lot for free - yet few people would call him scum.

And he didn't even have youtube! He had to write a book!
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