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Iím not clear what youíre arguing Minnewaska. Thereís plenty of evidence that raising the cost on an item, either through taxation or other means, can result in lower usage of said item, be it tobacco, booze or gasoline. The critical factor for taxation is to make sure the level is below the threshold for the creation of a viable black market.

Canadian governments have said they donít expect significant revenue from cannabis taxation. Iím sure it will be more than that, but as caberg says, sin taxes currently constitute a very small revenue stream for Canadian governments. I canít see cannabis changing this.

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Seems all western societies have embraced a concept that wasn’t present 100 years ago. That being using taxation as a means to influence behavior rather than as solely a mechanism to raise revenue. Tax structure encouraging some behaviors (capital investment, R&D, savings etc.) and discouraging others ( luxury gas tax, sin taxes, receiving money as salary or ordinary income etc.). This has resulted in a great distortion of democracy. Should this concept be disavowed lobbying, dark money, revolving door careers, the excessive expense of tax lawyers and accounting would not be as prevalent as at present. Whole industries of a non productive nature would wither.
Sin taxes represent the most obvious example of trying to influence behavior but not the most perilous rather I view income/capital gains/corporate taxes in there current forms as having much more impact on society.
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You can make up whatever political theory you like. None of this means as much as having the police arrest you, and being in jail awaiting trial. The whole point of legalization is to just stop doing that to our peaceful pot smoking citizens. The lack of arrest and fine changes everything. I was just in Vermont last weekend at a B&B , where pot is 100% legal. Basically. Wifey didn't want any so we just had a couple of gin and tonics. But I would have indulged for sure. Its just our private behavior, we are just a middle aged couple from NY spending money..and the police can ( and did ) just leave us in peace. In general, Vermonters, like New Yorkers just want to be left alone to do as they please and that apparently includes smoking pot. Amen Hallelujah. .No theory required.
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You can make up whatever political theory you like. None of this means as much as having the police arrest you, and being in jail awaiting trial. The whole point of legalization is to just stop doing that to our peaceful pot smoking citizens. The lack of arrest and fine changes everything. I was just in Vermont last weekend at a B&B , where pot is 100% legal. Basically. Wifey didn't want any so we just had a couple of gin and tonics. But I would have indulged for sure. Its just our private behavior, we are just a middle aged couple from NY spending money..and the police can ( and did ) just leave us in peace. In general, Vermonters, like New Yorkers just want to be left alone to do as they please and that apparently includes smoking pot. Amen Hallelujah. .No theory required.
You are right, Sal. I live in Vermont and we did legalize cannabis through the legislature (first state to do it that way), and we have no retail market - at least for the time being. So there is no tax revenue to be generated. Currently, cannabis is legal to possess and grow within defined limits. There are many here who would like it to stay this way, but it won't last. We will have a retail market in the next few years I'm sure. Once the MA stores open any day now just to our south, it won't make any sense to disallow retail sales here.

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Saw this government of New Brunswick recreational cannabis store front this morning. This is Sackville, at the North end of the Bay of Fundy. Interesting times.
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