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There happened to be a piece on FB about those waters st the confluence of the Columbia and the Pacific, great video....nasty body of water. They got caught wrong place wrong time. We should not quibble or Monday morning quarterback their actions.
There's always somebody else's opinion. They're alive after a 35+day passage, probably tired. We weren't there.

I too have my learning points gleaned from this saga. They didn't want to be pulled, but when tired, freezing in 50 degree water up to your ankles, etc etc...might do the same...and the CG can be rather convincing I'm sure.

Let's just nod and be grateful, not judgemental please.

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..and the CG can be rather convincing I'm sure.
Though not mentioned in the article..the USCG can deem a vessel unseaworthy and justifiably terminate the voyage of that vessel and extract all crew...
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Though not mentioned in the article..the USCG can deem a vessel unseaworthy and justifiably terminate the voyage of that vessel and extract all crew...

Very difficult to force someone to abandon ship.

Especially an Australian with a full larder of expletives. Starting with that one about sex and travel.

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Very difficult to force someone to abandon ship.
I can't imagine the Coast Guard forcing someone to abandon ship in a storm. It's seems difficult and dangerous enough getting a willing rescue victim into a helicopter in a pitching sea. To forcibly extract them would be a lot harder, with or without the Aussie Attitude.

If I recall this happened 180 miles offshore. Does the USCG have any jurisdiction there?

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If I recall this happened 180 miles offshore. Does the USCG have any jurisdiction there?
Nope.

They claim to have ability to board any US flagged vessel worldwide for drug inspections... But I cant see happening without a host country permission. So only in international waters for that.
In reality drug seisures are normally don't when a suspect vessel arrives in the next port.

But your point on how difficult it is to get a willing person off a boat safely is the crux. If a USCG swimmer 180nms off the coast had to somehow overpower a citizen on a non-sinking ship the Damages claim in court would be Huge!
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If I recall this happened 180 miles offshore. Does the USCG have any jurisdiction there?
I believe that if you have called them for assistance, then they DO have full, legal jurisdiction, even that far offshore.

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Note..in Mexican/International waters..

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...htmlstory.html

“The Coast Guard may board any vessel subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, whether on the high seas, or on waters over which the United States has jurisdiction, to make inquiries, examinations, inspections, searches, seizures, and arrests for the prevention, detection, and suppression of violations of U.S. laws. 14 U.S.C. § 89.”

Note: the USCG Search and Rescue areas..

https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=gmdssArea

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I believe that if you have called them for assistance, then they DO have full, legal jurisdiction, even that far offshore.

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I guess if you call them and they show, they should have something to say about the continuation of your trip.

I think the story about the blind guy is fishy.

He called in an emergency.
Unless the aft cabin was filled with $100 bills or it had a gold keel, no Flicka is worth $150k.

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Note..in Mexican/International waters..

Coast Guard forces owner from boat - The San Diego Union-Tribune

“The Coast Guard may board any vessel subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, whether on the high seas, or on waters over which the United States has jurisdiction, to make inquiries, examinations, inspections, searches, seizures, and arrests for the prevention, detection, and suppression of violations of U.S. laws. 14 U.S.C. § 89.”

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https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=gmdssArea

As I said, that's for drug inspections.

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Note..in Mexican/International waters..

Coast Guard forces owner from boat - The San Diego Union-Tribune

“The Coast Guard may board any vessel subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, whether on the high seas, or on waters over which the United States has jurisdiction, to make inquiries, examinations, inspections, searches, seizures, 777and arrests for the prevention, detection, and suppression of violations of U.S. laws. 14 U.S.C. § 89.”

Note: the USCG Search and Rescue areas..

https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=gmdssArea
I would be a bit surprised if Mexican teritorial waters extend 60 miles out to sea, more likely 12 miles.

The vessel in the article was an American flagged vessel in what is likely international waters. The USCG has legal authority to inspect US flagged vessels on international waters for safety.
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