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Re: Canadian boaters entering other countries: "Boat Registration" document definitio

If you guys don't mind me asking....

My boat is not registered or licensed (motor less than 10hp). I live approximately 30NM from the USA and plan to sail there in the near future.

My only proof of ownership is the sales receipt. AFAIK, this is the only requirement for my boat living in Ontario

Any idea if I will have a problem entering/visiting the USA?

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Re: Canadian boaters entering other countries: "Boat Registration" document definitio

I sometimes wonder if the US customs and immigration experience on the Great Lakes is different from elsewhere. On the lakes, folks commonly go back and forth for lunch. To this day, some do it without checking in on either end. I'm not recommending it. Still, I wonder if they have different rules for Canadians up there. IOW, if a Canadian boat showed up on the coast of North Carolina, I wonder if the license would pass muster. I really don't know.

Still, if you get your cruising permit, you should be in. You'll have to call and let CBP know your every move as you transit the country. A real PITA.
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if a Canadian boat showed up on the coast of North Carolina, I wonder if the license would pass muster. I really don't know.
Yes, anywhere on the East Coast, & Gulf States and Bahamas it is routine.

The hysterical laughter you hear as you drive a way in your"new" boat ..... is the seller.
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If you guys don't mind me asking....

My boat is not registered or licensed (motor less than 10hp). I live approximately 30NM from the USA and plan to sail there in the near future.

My only proof of ownership is the sales receipt. AFAIK, this is the only requirement for my boat living in Ontario

Any idea if I will have a problem entering/visiting the USA?

Thanks in advance guys.
Original bill of sale should be fine, thats all I take. Sometimes I just scoot across for lunch or to go to walmart (diapers are way cheaper in the states).

At times I haven't even take that, but then CBSA has given me grief coming back in because I can't prove I paid tax on it.
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Re: Canadian boaters entering other countries: "Boat Registration" document definitio

The paperwork train continues....

So 3 days ago I called the help line and asked for assistance with forms. They of course won't speak to you and they will set up a call back. Well I just got my callback from Transport Canada. She confirmed I did the forms wrong and need to fix them. I also asked her if I need to do this in order to leave the country with my sailboat and she laughed and said OF COURSE. Now...that just means TC is firmly on the "you need to be registered to leave and enter foreign nations", but they can't speak for other Customs Agency policies so yes the US\Bahamas may let you in without issue forever, or one day they may change their mind, maybe 1 border guard will change his mind, hard to say. Either way I'm doing the paperwork.

Mistakes I made:
1) I selected that I'm only 10.03m in length so for Gross Tonnage I can default to 4.99 without calculating it. I also put this beside it in NET tonnage. Wrong. Leave that blank when selecting 4.99.
2) My wife's name is on the receipt, and on the License, so I put her as a joint owner. You would think the "shares in the vessel" would go 50\50 right since 100% divided in half would be 50? WRONG. It's 64\64 (no idea why...).
3) I filled out a Form 1 and the Payment Form. I apparently was also required to fill out:
a) Statement of Qualification Form 3 for both myself and my wife.
b) Declaration Form 10. (this has to be signed and witnessed by a Notary or similar)
c) Appoint of Authorization Form 14.

She also laughed when I asked if this would be completed in the 30days the website estimates. Apparently they are "understaffed and it's summer".

She said they will email me a completed Registration if I request it, so at least IF I leave before this is completed I can hopefully receive it to my cell phone before any borders ask to see it.

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Aking Transport Canada for advice on CBP matters is like asking the Ministry of Health for advice on Ministry of Labour law.

The hysterical laughter you hear as you drive a way in your"new" boat ..... is the seller.

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2) My wife's name is on the receipt, and on the License, so I put her as a joint owner. You would think the "shares in the vessel" would go 50\50 right since 100% divided in half would be 50? WRONG. It's 64\64 (no idea why...).


Section 53 of the Canada Shipping Act:
53*(1)*For the purposes of registration, the property in a vessel is divided into 64 shares.

It's a hold over from the UK Merchant shipping act. Pre calculators, 64 was in some ways an easier number to work with than 100. Divide by 2s. 100, 50, 25. 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1. Neat eh?

At least that's my understanding.
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Section 53 of the Canada Shipping Act:
53*(1)*For the purposes of registration, the property in a vessel is divided into 64 shares.

It's a hold over from the UK Merchant shipping act. Pre calculators, 64 was in some ways an easier number to work with than 100. Divide by 2s. 100, 50, 25. 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1. Neat eh?

At least that's my understanding.
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