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Re: First sailboat for a very tall guy with a very tall family

You really just need to get on a bunch and see what you like. Keep in mind most of your time will be sitting. But you will want to see if you can move around in the head (bathroom) enough to use it. It will be the smallest place. And if you cook much check out the galley. The Catalina 25 has a small section that pops up like the old VW campers did and has canvas sides.

Also keep in mind age is not all that important it is all about condition! A well maintained 50 year old boat may well be a better buy than a 15 year old boat that has been abused.

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I think to stay constructive since you are close to the the same height, what is the headroom in your 30 foot boat? You are able to live aboard for months at a time.
Funny you should ask, I've never even bothered to measure it... My guess would have been about 6' 2", as I have a very shallow bilge and what appears to be pretty decent headroom for a 30-footer...

However, having just gone out and measured it, turns out it's not even 6'... More like about 5' 10", even less as you move outboard...

Damn, and for almost 20 years I've thought the headroom on my boat was adequate, little did I know...

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As to the idea of taking it to Philidelphia I think he may not really understand how slow sailboats are.
Yeah, I think "a couple of weeks" each way might be a bit 'optimistic'... ;-)

The trip I just did out to Vermillion, I departed Annapolis early on a Thursday, and entered Lake Erie the following Friday around midday... That's moving along at a pretty good clip that exceeds what most cruisers would be maintaining when making the trip for pleasure, running through most of the night heading up the Hudson, maxing out the operating hours of the canal, and being very fortunate with the timing of a few critical locks... Nor does that account for any time spent un-stepping/re-stepping the rig, the mast was on deck the entire way...

For most folks, western Lake Superior to NYC or Philly and return would likely involve an entire summer, at least to do it 'right', and actually see some of the sights along the way...

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Re: First sailboat for a very tall guy with a very tall family

Mr. cthoops is 6'4", so I get the fact that headroom is important to you. He also insisted on full standing headroom which, as you are discovering, severely limits your options when you're looking for a boat under 40'.

I would suggest that you actually get on some boats and see if headroom continues to be your number one priority. In our case, as we went on different boats, Mr. cthoops eventually realized that there were other factors that were more important. We ended up with a Bristol 29.9 which has 6'2"/6'3" headroom and he is thrilled with the boat.

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Yeah, I think "a couple of weeks" each way might be a bit 'optimistic'... ;-)

For most folks, western Lake Superior to NYC or Philly and return would likely involve an entire summer, at least to do it 'right', and actually see some of the sights along the way...

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My way STILL gets him to PHILLY in a couple of hours. There are certainly plusses to owning a trailerable... that is one of them.

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Perhaps you should find a broker to act your behalf. Ask him to find boats that meet your criteria (if they exist - that is a lot of headroom). The buyer's broker is paid by the seller - the two brokers split the commission so it would not cost you anything other than the fact that you are limited to boats being sold by a broker, which would be most boats in your price range.

After the refit we have decided to sell Ainia. We want something smaller that would be could for the light summer winds of Lake Ontario, although we plan to spend at least a couple of winters in the Caribbean before heading north.
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Wouldn't some older cruising catamarans fit the bill here? I know the salons are a bit more spacious than on older monohulls. That would also address the speed question, and if one doesn't care about trailering, etc., it's a worthwhile consideration. Not sure what would be required to get inside of the $75,000 budget on a cat that was in good enough shape to be long-term reliable, or big enough to liveaboard with a whole family... but then, what is there that's safe, huge inside, perfectly reliable, and big enough for a family of adults to live aboard together for that price? I'd be curious myself
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You might want to have a look at a Bavaria 37 cruiser. The most headroom I ever encountered on a charter boat was in a 2006 model of that kind. never seen that again, neither on older nor newer years nor other european brands I usually charter.
And I found it to sail quite well and comfortably, as well as good for small crew (we were 2)
I'm not sure about the US market, but in Europe you have plenty of those, especially ex charter tboats, as hey run reliantly in charter all over the med and baltic in great numbers. One of those might suit your budget.
beeing 6' 5" (196 cm), headroom has alway been an issue for me as well and certainly will be, when it comes to finding "my" boat for extended cruising one day. I do not make it priority no. 1 when chartering, though...

The picture attached is me in that boat 5 years ago. Its still running in charter here:

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good luck, curious how this will turn out for you.

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Just a quick comment about something you asked. When will you know you've picked the right boat? For me it was the moment I stepped on my second one. Then, the day after signing the paperwork, I wished I would have looked at some other boats. lol!

Something else to think about headroom wise. I'm 6 ft even. My boat is advertised as 5'11" headroom. And that's the case when I first go below standing dead center of the cabin. All I have to do is slightly incline my head and I'm fine. As I move to either side or forward it gets less and less. The kicker - I hardly notice. The small amount I have to move my head doesn't bother me at all. My first boat was barely 5 foot of headroom and I hated it. I was always hunched over. My current one, doesn't bother me at all having to simply move my head. I think you'll be surprised when you see a couple of inches isn't that big of a deal.

The advice you've gotten here has been great. Go look at boats. When you're down below think about the actual time you'll be spending down there. Mostly you'll be sitting or laying down. While underway you'll be on deck or in the cockpit (if not, you're doing it wrong). The two most important headroom spaces are the galley and the head - at least in my opinion.

Have fun looking! I had a blast doing it. I ended up with a solid boat that needed a lot of little things fixed or updated. I don't regret it at all. The work brought me closer to the boat and made it feel more mine.
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Re: First sailboat for a very tall guy with a very tall family

Thanks for all the great feedback on the headroom issue! After rethinking it I have decided NOT to make it my main priority and I have also decided that a 40ft will be the largest that I will consider buying. I think I will be very happy with something in the 35ft-40ft range.

I did some more research asking sellers about headroom and found 2 different models made by Hunter that should work out pretty good for me and my family as far as headroom and price are concerned. They are the Hunter 37.5 and the Hunter 40.5. There was only 1 40.5 that I found listed for sale at $75,000 and several 37.5 boats for sale about $10,000-$15,000 less than the 40.5. The newer ones are usually more expensive and out of my price range compared to the older models which is true for most boats.

I like the way things are laid out, the way they look, and the amount of room there is down below. I haven't found anything yet that I don't like about them but I am sure something will come up once I actually see them in person. As far as I can tell there isn't much difference from one year to the next for those of them built in the 90's. The year doesn't really matter to me as long as it is sound and functional.

Now what I need to do is to actually go below on both of them and see what makes the most sense for me. Supposedly the headroom is about the same in both of them. Mostly 6'6" and down to 6' in some places.

I am leaving for a 2 week vacation to Philadelphia in a few days so hopefully I will find the time to check them out while I am there. If not I will just have to travel to the nearest ones to where I live.

Does anyone have any pros or cons about these boats that they could share with me? Any Hunter 40.5 or 37.5 owners care to chime in about their own experiences with these boats? Is there any reasons why I should or shouldn't buy one of these boats? How much difference is there between the 37.5 and the 40.5 other than length and width?
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Re: First sailboat for a very tall guy with a very tall family

You are on the right track.

I am 6'6" and the only place I can stand up fully is at the bottom of the companionway steps. I also had "height" as high up on my list and it gradually got wore down to where I didn't really care. In the galley I have to lean my head forward (unless we are heeling to port, then I have LOTS of head room!). Most of the time you are sitting or sleeping. One thing is to make sure there is a place to hang your feet off. The amidships bunks on mine are not quite tall enough for me to lie flat, but the fore and aft cabins are both long enough that I have quite a lot of space.

My boat actually has tons of space for a 35 (maybe more than any other 35), so I am guessing you may be headed closer to 40 than 35 to meet some of your height requirements. Just look at a LOT of boats. It's like a woman...you'll know the right one when you are on her...

Or as I heard of another sailor mention: "If you want headroom, go out on deck". Good Luck!

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