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gallilaw 09-10-2013 01:19 PM

CS 30 - basic info needed
 
Need to learn a few things about the CS 30:

Am I right that the hull is solid, NOT balsa cored anywhere?

Did the factory overbore and epoxy the drill-throughs where the deck hardware was mounted, or otherwise prevent water from getting into the balsa core at the deck gear locations?

Every model boat seems to have some "typical" trouble areas that will develop over the years. What typical problems should I be looking for when considering a purchase of a used CS 30? Which of those issues are in the have-to-fix category, and which should be considered deal-breakers?

Some folks say that the CS 30 was designed for the Great Lakes; but others say it is fine for coastal ocean cruising. Is there any reason why an coastal ocean sailor should stay away from the CS 30?

Finally: when the wind spikes, on my current boat I furl the jib, and sail on the mainsail alone -- reefing that only when the wind hits persistently more than 22 knots. The total "standard" sail plan on my boat is weighted: mainsail=57% and jib=43%. On the CS 30, the mainsail accounts for only 45% of the standard 462 SF sail plan. When the wind spikes, will the CS 30 handle well on mainsail alone; or what is the recommended response?

Oaksail 09-15-2013 08:06 PM

Re: CS 30 - basic info needed
 
Hull is solid, nor balsa core. Deck is balsa cored but solid along the perimeter where the toe rail bolts thru and the genoa track portions are solid. Note sure at the chain plates.
Cockpit drain hoses should be replaced or inspected.
Solid core AC wiring should be replaced.
The holding tank should be fitted with an internal extension tube that will allow complete emptying of the tank.
I dont like sailing with only one sail up. The 30 has a quite a bit of sail (with the 150 genoa), It feels too unbalanced to me on just one sail. I plan on purchasing a good used jib this winter to be better ready next year for those 25+ knt days.

Oaksail 09-15-2013 08:07 PM

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"nor" should read "no"

sailingfool 09-16-2013 08:55 AM

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Sailing with just the jib is a fine solution on boats with smaller mains. In addition to it being more convenient to simply unfurl the jib and go than to raise the main, on these boats the jib gives more drive than the main and may be necessary to retain good control. The only caveat is to anticipate and manage the resulting lee helm, in particular you need to ensure good momentum before going into a tack as it is easy to stall the boat. I never found jib-only sailing on my CS36T a problem, whereas the boat would only go downwind under main alone.

The CS 30 is a sweet racer-cruiser, fine for coastal use, but you might lookup the story the story of the crew that raced one half-way to Bermuda before they got off...

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mais 06-19-2018 11:41 AM

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can you remove the small inner forestay on a cs30, thanks

Oaksail 06-19-2018 12:45 PM

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Yes, its known as a baby stay. it is there to prevent the mast pumping when the loads are high during downwind sailing. i put a quick release fitting on the bottom. Unless youre racing you wont need it. IMHO

boatpoker 06-19-2018 02:08 PM

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After 4,587 surveys (including 36, CS30's) I have concluded that although not without faults, the CS boats (in particular the 27, 36T and 30) are at the very top of the heap of production boats.

Paul Tennyson drew up a QC program and actually enforced it from day one of the plant opening. If you have surveyed one CS30, you have surveyed them all. Quite simply, by far the most consistent product of any builder.

Send me a PM with your email address and I will send you an actual survey of a typical CS30 (Private info redacted) later tonight. It may give you an idea of what to look for.

PS. I've never owned a CS and had no interest in the company.

drew1711 06-19-2018 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gallilaw (Post 1086834)
Need to learn a few things about the CS 30:

Some folks say that the CS 30 was designed for the Great Lakes; but others say it is fine for coastal ocean cruising. Is there any reason why an coastal ocean sailor should stay away from the CS 30?

No reason at all. It's sort of a Hobson's Choice, but I would rather endure a gale at sea than a gale on the Great Lakes.

YMMV.

boatpoker 06-19-2018 03:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drew1711 (Post 2051530178)
No reason at all. It's sort of a Hobson's Choice, but I would rather endure a gale at sea than a gale on the Great Lakes.

YMMV.

I agree, been there done that :) I'd rather suffer a 20' ocean wave with a 20 second period than an 8' Lake Erie wave with a 2 second period.

sailingfool 07-01-2018 12:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by boatpoker (Post 2051530074)
After 4,587 surveys (including 36, CS30's) I have concluded that although not without faults, the CS boats (in particular the 27, 36T and 30) are at the very top of the heap of production boats...

While I fully agree with this comment, I do think for many readers we should make clear that these boats did not share the same design concept and objective. I believe Ray Wall designed the CS 36T to be a performance bluewater cruiser, and that fact shows in numerous elements of its design and construction. I believe Tony Castro designed the CS30 as a performance coastal cruiser, and the design shares nothing in common with the 36T, although your point is that they are similarly well built. A well equipped CS 36T makes a good offshore boat, other than a tendency to pound due to the flat centerline in front of the keel. The CS30, not at all, not to take anything from being as sweet a coastal boat as it is. The story of the crew who bailed off their CS30 during a Bermuda race tells the story on the design differences, and the fundamental importance of selecting a boat that is designed for how you plan to use it.


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