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How do you check out an engine during a survey anyway?
With my last boat I had some concerns about the 30 year old Perkins, so I hired a mechanic from St Catharines. He was excellent. He dealt Betas and Volvos (I think) but after his evaluation recommended that I keep the old 4.108. And he didn't charge me, because I had hired him to estimate an engine replacement!

It turned out he was right, I used the engine hard for several years and it never once gave me a problem. Mechanics seem to have a way of figuring these things out.
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I guess we've had differen experiences. I've only surveyed about 25 Mirage boats.
Seems like it. Surprised at only 25 considering the large number of Mirage built boats around. They were the boat builder I knew best. Owned three of their boats myself and sailed countless miles on friends Mirages. Not the very best, but always a lot of boat for the money.

One thing I forgot to mention re the Mirage 33/35 - There were failures initially of the stem plate casting at bow - Most should by now have been upgraded using a kit Mirage supplied. It was a design fault in the original boats. I forget exact details, but I think it involved adding a U-bolt and some re-inforcing plates.
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With my last boat I had some concerns about the 30 year old Perkins, so I hired a mechanic from St Catharines. He was excellent. He dealt Betas and Volvos (I think) but after his evaluation recommended that I keep the old 4.108. And he didn't charge me, because I had hired him to estimate an engine replacement!

It turned out he was right, I used the engine hard for several years and it never once gave me a problem. Mechanics seem to have a way of figuring these things out.
Great that you found a good guy to check engine. I have been present at a couple of surveys of high end boats. In those cases, the surveyor did not check the engine. A second mechanical surveyor was brought in to check the main and generator diesels. That is fine for high value boats, but with 33 footers under $30k these days and for sale boats often sitting on hard, it is hard to get or afford an engine evaluation before making an offer. Engine condition can be put in as a condition of purchase with a hold back, I guess.
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No no. This boat was well under $30k. I only hired a mechanic, no surveyor. I felt confident I could figure out the hull myself.
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No no. This boat was well under $30k. I only hired a mechanic, no surveyor. I felt confident I could figure out the hull myself.
Yes, I have and would do the same, but darned insurance companies want those surveys anyway

What I see as a problem, is a buyer hiring a surveyor to check out a boat, but not realizing that one of the most expensive parts, the engine, can't really be evaluated by many surveyors. That would in many cases require a mechanic to be hired that is knowledgeable when it comes to marine engines. Just like when buying a car, the engine is the thing you really want checked. Replacement could be 1/2 again of what was paid for boat.
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Seems like it. Surprised at only 25 considering the large number of Mirage built boats around. They were the boat builder I knew best. Owned three of their boats myself and sailed countless miles on friends Mirages. Not the very best, but always a lot of boat for the money.

One thing I forgot to mention re the Mirage 33/35 - There were failures initially of the stem plate casting at bow - Most should by now have been upgraded using a kit Mirage supplied. It was a design fault in the original boats. I forget exact details, but I think it involved adding a U-bolt and some re-inforcing plates.
Just for fun, no guessing on my part this time but actual numbers (I just counted my files) of some brands surveyed out of a total of 4,566 ...
Aloha - 24
Mirage - 30
CS - 197
C&C - 168
Beneteau - 84
Catalina - 65

The other 3,398 are made up of this list of Power Boats surveyed.
and this list of Sailboats Surveyed

The hysterical laughter you hear as you drive a way in your"new" boat ..... is the seller.

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Here's a screen shot of some of my "M" files perhaps you know some of these Mirage's
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Sorry here's a better one. Didn't realize a few of the Mirage's were blocked by that Windows thingy.
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So, if I was interested in racing, would I be better off with a Mirage 26 or a Mirage 27? Why?

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Re: Shopping around for the 10-20yr boat, need some info on the CS33's

If you are asking me, I haven't got a clue.

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