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Sinking will take a lot of the pleasure out of sail too. don't go off on us because you are to lazy to close them and did not expect a failure. the one thing that I have learned in 60 years of working on boats is to do everything you can to prevent a failure. if you don't turn them off then I say you should expect the next failure will be sooner then you think.

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What about the drain(s) from the cockpit, do you close them as well, when you leave the boat?
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We always close all seacocks when leaving for more than a day. If you make it part of your normal leaving and returning routine you should not forget. (turn on engine battery, open engine seacock, etc...) It's worked for us.
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What about the drain(s) from the cockpit, do you close them as well, when you leave the boat?
According to Boat US, closed (or blocked) cockpit drains are the number one cause of boat sinkings in marinas. The cockpit fills up, and downfloods into the salon.

One nasty possibility is that the drains block, the weight of water in the cockpit is enough to lower the drains below sea level, then the boat sinks fast.

Rather than close the cockpit drains, the solution is to have components that you can rely on. I have the really thick Trident hose, double clamped at the through-hulls.

You also need to visit regularly and make sure they are not blocked.
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I am very disciplined in this regard. Every time I sail, without fail, on the drive home I wonder if I should have closed the seacocks.
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As it happens, a few weeks ago I had the kitchen sink metal (connector under the sink) literally crumble in my hands when I was working on something down there. I could have failed literally any time and easily sunk the boat had the seacock been open.


I ALLWAYS close ALL seacocks when I am not on board.
This just emphasizes that you need to have all the critical components in good condition. Solid through-hulls, top-quality hose, double-clamped.

The Trident hose to my sinks is so stiff, it could disconnect from the sink and nothing would happen as the top end will always be above the water line.

Closing sea-cocks is fine, but that should be a failsafe, not a substitute for quality components and proper maintenance.

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What about the drain(s) from the cockpit, do you close them as well, when you leave the boat?
Not sure if that was addressed to me.

In any case, it would not apply, my cockpit drains do not have seacocks. The corresponding thru hulls are under the stern and above the waterline (though only just).
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This just emphasizes that you need to have all the critical components in good condition. Solid through-hulls, top-quality hose, double-clamped.

The Trident hose to my sinks is so stiff, it could disconnect from the sink and nothing would happen as the top end will always be above the water line.

Closing sea-cocks is fine, but that should be a failsafe, not a substitute for quality components and proper maintenance.
I agree, that is exactly as I see it.

I did not think I would need to do preventive maintenance on a kitchen sink; failure of this part was not something that I expected. Of course now I know that this can happen but I assume that there may be other things that I do not expect to fail. Therefore I want redundancy. Therefore I close the seacocks.
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According to Boat US, closed (or blocked) cockpit drains are the number one cause of boat sinkings in marinas. The cockpit fills up, and downfloods into the salon.
I had that happen to me last winter. We had heavy snow that blocked the drain in the cockpit then immediately followed by rain. Came to the boat and the bilge was full. And my boat is on a trailer.

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My reason for the post was to suggest people check their water stainer, not to start a dialog about closing seacocks. My failure was due to metal fatigue, something you normally wouldn't see unless you were looking for it.
Sorry, but your experience is a very good case for closing them, IMO. You may want to run the risk to save a time on each trip, but you could have lost your boat.

I don't own a boat (don't get to sail enough), but would go through a pre-cruise checklist before each outing even for my own boat. That would include the position of seacocks.
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