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Re: is NEMA 0183 a deal breaker

Hey,

If I were you I would spend another $100 and get the B&G Vulcan 7FS. It has the following advantages:
NMEA 2000 so networking is easy
If you need to upgrade the firmware in your B&G radio you can do it through the Vulcan
The Vulcan has sailing specific features (Sailsteer) that you might want.
It's a current product and likely to go EOL soon.

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Re: is NEMA 0183 a deal breaker

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Yes lots of devices today still support NMEA 0183 but migration away from 0183 has already begun.

We already have a slew of instruments and peripherals that are N2K only. B&G Triton's, Raymarine's instruments etc. are N2K.

Even Raymarine's ITC5, which converts analog wind, depth, temp, speed, rudder and fluxgate only converts it to STng / NMEA 2000 not to NMEA 0183.

In this day and age 0183 can certainly work but it's sort of like buying a Apple IIe... My main concern is still, and always will be, buying discontinued marine electronics. This is by far the larger worry and I see folks burned by it regularly. Sure you can get lucky, and many do, but many also get burned and have a very short serviceable life...
Then there are some companies that refuse to go the N2K route, like Standard Horizon. Their GX2200 VHF is a fantastic piece of gear with built-in GPS and AIS receive yet it doesn't have N2K, only 0183. Their reps tell me they have no plans to go the N2K route.
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Re: is NEMA 0183 a deal breaker

There are 3rd party NMEA 0183 to 2000 adapters available.
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Re: is NEMA 0183 a deal breaker

True, and if you've got multiple 0183 devices, a N2K multiplexer/translator makes sense. In my case, the VHF is the only 0183 device on the boat and will live right next to my MFD, so I'll just connect them directly. The MFD will repeat the 0183 data on the N2K network.
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I added a wifi / multiplexer to our old Seatalk network. This combines the boat's NMEA 0183 GPS, depth, wind, speed data with SH GX2200 AIS and broadcasts over a local wifi network. This gives me all the data on my iPhone/iPad. Especially useful displaying AIS targets on the tablet. There are several open source linux projects and commercial vendors. I bought the ready made box from vYacht and have been happy having it on the boat. In reality, I don't use the wifi much, probably because I don't use the iPad much on the boat, but I think it is nice to have.
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Re: is NEMA 0183 a deal breaker

No, it will work fine for your purposes at 38,400 baud.

I have a Standard Horizon GX2200 VHF which outputs it data to my Garmin 44DV (same unit as the one you are considering with smaller display size). I also output to my tiller pilot so track directly to a way point.

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Buying a NMEA 0183 MFD today is like buying a new bag phone, buggy whip or a dinosaur saddle ....Sometimes good deals don't turn out as good as they may seem.
[email protected]! So this is how I find out I was suckered on that slick dinosaur saddle I just scored on eBay!
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Re: is NEMA 0183 a deal breaker

I probably wouldn't buy a chartplotter that didn't do N2K

It's just so much simpler to get stuf working with N2K, and a lot of new stuff doesn't do N183 anyway anymore

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Re: is NEMA 0183 a deal breaker

I would be OK with buying 0183 only gear, especially if on a tight budget. Living on the advancing cusp of modern technology is very expensive. If it does what you need done, then why not save $$$s?
We run Nexus instruments and tiller pilot, and a Garmin chart plotter, plus an old Hand held GPS. We plug the HH GPS in, and run some of the data through a 'black box' (multiplexer - converter) to enable data sharing and data logging into NEXUS Race software on a laptop.
All as low cost as we could get, and does what we want, and has done for years (6 or 7, shorthanded sail racing). No failures, still get software & map updates for the chart-plotter - everyones happy!
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