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For what it's worth, while installing our Maxwell windlass in 2006, I found that connecting lugs to the cables needed was much more easily and neatly accomplished by using a "SwageIt" hand swaging tool:



The "SwageIt" was also far less costly than a crimping tool.
That one is made primarily for wire rope sleeves, but a crimp is a crimp I guess if you get the contact you need then your OK. Interested to see others comments on this.
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I guess the trick would be getting the right size for the lug/wire.
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Thanks Maine. Starting measurement was 20 inches! Here's a pic of the quality, which is the same die setting in one of your pics on your website. I've also included a pic of the cause. SBO has offered to replace it, with one I can read. Although, they say they are all fuzzy letter stamping.

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I just spoke with my contact at FZT and the tool is built in China, for at least 4 years or possibly more. I suspect this had a lot to do with being bough by Ilsco? I was told that they simply could not compete building the tool here in the US any longer. They are looking into the die stamping/marking issue as well as factory calibration and packaging/calibration/instructions.

He did confirm that the die sizes and min/max specifications have been spot on with their manufacturer, every lot is checked, and it is built to the identical specifications as the US made version including hardness of the tool hardened steel which they also test.

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They said the tool is now made in China, it's used to be made in the US. @Maine Sail may update his recommendation.
I never mentioned it was made in the US, though it had been. As long as the tool performs, and many Taiwanese and Chinese tools do, especially ones that are designed and built to a reputable US manufacturers standards, I don't know why I would change my recommendation?

So far I've not had a single tool beat the FTZ in consistent crimp pull testing other than the AMP Rota-Crimp tools (the tools I actually use). I have tested tools from Quick Cable, Greenlee, the Greenlee Chinese knock offs and numerous Chinese hydraulic tools. Some of these hydraulic tools even imported by less than ethical US companies claiming AWG dies when they are not.

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That one is made primarily for wire rope sleeves, but a crimp is a crimp I guess if you get the contact you need then your OK. Interested to see others comments on this.
I too had the swage it tool as I used to do my lifeline fittings with it till I bought a long handled swager.

I used it to do a few lugs and it is easier than the FTZ tool I have but you can't change the dies for different diameter of wire.

It is easier to use with a ratchet set


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....As long as the tool performs, and many Taiwanese and Chinese tools do, especially ones that are designed and built to a reputable US manufacturers standards, I don't know why I would change my recommendation?.......
Thanks for checking with your source. Absent that, the pics I posted would not lead one to be confident it was manufactured to reputable US manufacturing standards. One of the letters is completely illegible. I said you "may" update, not that you should. If you know the crimp quality is the same, I would not expect you to change. You might CY sider pointing out the lettering issue. SBO is telling me they are all like that. SBO, to their credit, is being extraordinary helpful. That was a great reference from your article. Thank you.

Your article never mentioned FTZ's US origin, but does criticize the Chinese crimpers you document as unreliable, which I'm sure is true. There is a subtle disconnect to find the FTZ is also made in China. Don't get me wrong, that article is extraordinarily helpful, it's entirely up to you what you do with it.

While I totally understand competitive pricing pressure, when the competition is manufacturering for a tenth the cost in China, I always find the "could not compete" argument to be dubious. Some companies can't sell at a price that creates a proper return on investment, because the competition has reduced pricing after manufacturing in China at a tenth the cost. Others simply become more profitable. Hard to tell which is which.


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...Your article never mentioned FTZ's US origin, but does criticize the Chinese crimpers you document as unreliable, which I'm sure is true....
I think there is a big difference bt Chinese knock-offs and made to US specs and I don't want to speak for him but I believe that is what MS meant.

Made in China is rampant, and Minnewaska, you are dead on...

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While I totally understand competitive pricing pressure, when the competition is manufacturering for a tenth the cost in China, I always find the "could not compete" argument to be dubious. Some companies can't sell at a price that creates a proper return on investment, because the competition has reduced pricing after manufacturing in China at a tenth the cost. Others simply become more profitable. Hard to tell which is which.
That's an issue that the new White House tenant said he was going to deal with... or not. But I Digress....
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So far I've not had a single tool beat the FTZ in consistent crimp pull testing other than the AMP Rota-Crimp tools (the tools I actually use).
Does this look right?



All the other pics I see show the jaws as straight, in line with the handles, the offset angle looks weird to me.

Maybe that's the "ratchet" add-on, supposed to help prevent partial crimps?

Also these have integral dies right, if the seller says it's complete and working no need to buy anything additional?
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Does this look right?



All the other pics I see show the jaws as straight, in line with the handles, the offset angle looks weird to me.

Maybe that's the "ratchet" add-on, supposed to help prevent partial crimps?

Also these have integral dies right, if the seller says it's complete and working no need to buy anything additional?
Nothing right about that image. Also for working on boat the ratchet version is less desirable for tight spots. With these crimp tool it is obvious when you've completed the crimp.

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Re: FTZ battery lug crimper

The first shipped crimper has been sent back. A replacement is on it's way. I will report on quality, when it gets here.


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