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Thanks all for your input. I bought a main today from Bacon Sails. I am confident there will be a big improvement. If not, I can send it back.
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Re: New sails?

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Be careful with buying used sails. .....There would have been a cost to change my boat to fit the used sails. ....
Probably a lesser cost to modify the (otherwise good, used) sails to fit your boat..

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Thanks all for your input. I bought a main today from Bacon Sails. I am confident there will be a big improvement. If not, I can send it back.
Be sure to let us know how it works out!

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Re: New sails?

While good sails can serve to reduce heeling, the OP should not expect too much, as even perfect sails may not take wicked weather helm out of a boat if the imbalance is designed in from the get go. I believe the OP'S boat may be an example of this situation, in fact referenced specifically on the recent thread re full keel boats.

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Re: New sails?

My old catboat sail was replaced at about 15 years and there was a noticeable improvement in upwind sailing and less weather helm. The new sail was flatter than the old one. It also helped that the sailmaker (Thurston) made the original sail and informed me that the designer, Halsey Herreshoff, didn't go on builders trials for the design until after my boat was out the door. Halsey recognized that the weather helm needed to be reduced and he specified a new sail cut that was 1' shorter in the foot and 1' longer in the luff. So I order "cut #2".

The moral of this story is that you might check with other owners of your boat type to see if there is anything to be learned.
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While good sails can serve to reduce heeling, the OP should not expect too much, as even perfect sails may not take wicked weather helm out of a boat if the imbalance is designed in from the get go. I believe the OP'S boat may be an example of this situation, in fact referenced specifically on the recent thread re full keel boats.
If a boat has that bad of weather helm there are other options. Like changing the rake of the mast, playing with prebend, and eventually rebuilding the rudder. Most of the time just mast adjustment can bring a boat to a reasonably neutral helm.

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Probably a lesser cost to modify the (otherwise good, used) sails to fit your boat..
That's good advice and I intend to follow it. Unfortunately, for a few more years, I live and sail far from the nearest sail maker/modifier. So that leaves it up to me, which is OK. I'll have a new sail to use while I fix/modify the other. Both those adventures will be educational for me.

That's the beauty of owning an old, 19' sailboat - I can try a lot of things that I've never done before. Be the results good or bad, it won't have cost me much and I will know better when I own a boat that has twice the LOA.

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Re: New sails?

CLOSECALL - Congrats on your decision to get a newer sail. Even with a newer (but used) sail, the same 'setups' (you should check) for correct 'shaping after raising' would apply as described in my previous post.
The principal adjustment for correction of adverse 'weather helm' for a woven dacron mainsail (older design or newer design) is adjustment of mainsail halyard tension !!!!!!

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Thanks to all who have offered advice. I will take it to heart and pay particular attention to backstay and halyard tension and mast rake.

I've been sailing and working on this boat for a few years now and for a 50 year old plastic boat she does just fine. For most part she is a pleasure to sail and most of her issues with weather helm are eased with a reef in the main or rolling in the headsail a bit. So I am not expecting any drastic change but at least some improvement in performance with this new sail. Also, I haven't spent enough money on the boat this year.
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Here is an update. Against all odds, Bacon had a brand new mainsail that had been built for a Pearson Wanderer. For whatever reason, it had never been on a boat. It had two reef points and pockets for four full battens. My old battens fit right in. It is essentially a new version of my old sail. It even has the Wanderer logo on it.

A week ago we took a four day cruise on the lower Chessie. Lancaster to Mobjack to Cape Charles to Deltaville and back to Lancaster. Conditions between no wind and "why didn't I reef" winds. Close hauled, broad reach, and dead downw. I felt significant improvement particularly with the weather helm situation.

Bacon was great to work with. Shipping was quick and cheap. I think the $800.00 was a real bargain, but I think I got lucky this time.
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Re: New sails?

Thanks for the update, congratulations, and enjoy!!!

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