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Re: Not Getting the All-Chain Thing

We see hundreds of power boaters anchored alone and rafted. I can't remember the last time I saw one dragging the anchor.
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Re: Not Getting the All-Chain Thing

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Your specific words were "hold zero speed over ground in 5 knot current". If you are holding zero speed in 5 mph current, yes your free anchor and line will be dragged under your boat.

BTW I specifically used the speed of 5 mph, not 5 knots.

Now you can rattle on and on about the details. But this is what you said.
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Show me the math I don't believe you. In my response I specifically said I was using chain, you have switched to line in a desperate attempt to dig yourself out of a credibility hole. Go back and read my post. Quote me, don't paraphrase.

If I power up on a dragging anchor and chain until neutral speed over the bottom is acheived, all I have done is take the strain off the anchor chain. There might be some chain under the bow, but unless you're using a planing or displacement anchor, it's not flying flat out behind me.

If you're so certain I'm wrong, show me the math. Show me how the drag on the anchor chain has lifted the anchor off the bottom and flung it out behind me like a kangaroo playing leap frog. Your physics are broken.

Yes, I said 5 knot current, that's because I'm a sailor not a trucker.

If you say I'm using all line and no chain it means I'm on a tiny 2000 lb or less boat (like my Bay Hen) and there is no windlass to jam, I just hand bomb the anchor because I'm not frail.

By the way, I'm practicing my anchoring techniques right now. Sand Bottom, all line
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We see hundreds of power boaters anchored alone and rafted. I can't remember the last time I saw one dragging the anchor.
It is not the type of boat but the anchoring system in the present discussion. Of those you have seen how many do you think would be using a Danforth anchor with an all line rode? I take it the boats you refer to are located in the PNW.
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Re: Not Getting the All-Chain Thing

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Were you able to see what kind of bottom there was too in fishfinder mode? I've been considering getting a fishfinder too lately but it's hard to narrow down which one I want to get...
You can easily see plants and rocks. You can see soft mud. Clay and sand look the same though. It also looks ahead and behind so you can see if the bottom is flat or inclined.

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You are right, I was not staying on topic. I thought that I was perceiving a bias against power boaters, a couple of posters seem to be suggesting there are lots of them around who don't have the knowledge or equipment to anchor properly. I was simply stating that I see many power boats and they are not dragging their anchors all over creation. I am not trying to start an argument.
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I said "after it sets". Most every anchor test includes a test at 3:1 scope. So this is not unusual.
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Agreed, a lot of anchors work really well if you assume that they set properly, at least until the current or wind change.
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Re: Not Getting the All-Chain Thing

Small power boats are relatively light displacement and small wind profile. They just don't need much of an anchor. More importantly, they almost never anchor 24/7/365 and beat it to the trailer or marina if conditions are not bright, sunny, and low winds.

Danforths are great anchors in many conditions but I hate the damn things. They are a real PITA if you have to move them off the anchor roller. The bar or the flukes grab onto you, the boat or anything they can to make life difficult. The damn hinged flukes have a voracious appetite for fingers that can range from a nasty pinch to amputation. Have had a Danforth break loose with a change in the tide and wind and skip along the bottom not resetting. Have also had them bury so deep they had to be pulled out backwards by a diver, me. Still carry a broken down Fortress FX 23 as a back up anchor and FX 16 as a stern/lunch hook. Give me a New style Non hinged folding anchor any day.

Anchored 24/7/365 on all chain including a tropical storm passage with 50 plus winds and never a problem. Always used a snubber tied to the anchor with rolling hitches and didn't have much of a problem getting it undone including the before mentioned storm. Tried a chain hook but it kept coming detached and very soon committed it to Poseidon.

Rope road works just fine till you really need it. For the real cruiser who lives or dies with his anchor, rope is just too prone to failure from chafe. If you can set up the rode so it makes no bends greater than say 30 degrees and there is nothing that the line will come in contact with and there is nothing on the bottom that the rope will foul then rope could be a 24/7/365 solution. Have had the unfortunate experience of having to rely on rope during the passage of a downgraded former hurricane. Being stuck on the foredeck for a night periodically releasing the line to be sure the line didn't chafe and change the wear point as it passed through the chock is not something I ever want to do again. The only good thing was I had plenty of tail on the line so didn't run out of line to let out.

So Danforths are good, in fact great, anchors on some bottoms but they are still a PITA to handle they I'll avoid unless absolutely unavoidable. Small power boats can get by with POS anchors because they only anchor occasionally and almost never in less than ideal conditions. Rope rode will work fine IF it doesn't chafe through on something like a chock on board or a foul bottom. It is rude for someone with rope road to drop their hook on a 7-1 scope and wipe out half the anchorage for other boats that don't require such excessive swinging room. A rollling hitch works just fine for a snubber and the price is right.
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Re: Not Getting the All-Chain Thing

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For the real cruiser who lives or dies with his anchor.
Everyone who's anchored lives or dies with his anchor. This "real cruiser" thing just doesn't exist. Real cruisers use all chain. And Real cruisers use mixed rode. So let's not get carried away. This is all about preference - not dogma.

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Being stuck on the foredeck for a night periodically releasing the line to be sure the line didn't chafe and change the wear point as it passed through the chock is not something I ever want to do again.
Knowing how to use good chafe gear cuts way down on this problem...pardon the pun.
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This "real cruiser" thing just doesn't exist.
Yes it does - they are all on Blue Water Boats...

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Yes it does - they are all on Blue Water Boats...

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