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Re: going up the mast for the first time

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I'm not questioning the forum's collective wisdom on in-water vs. on-the-hard mast climbing, but it's not clear to me either why the boat would be unstable on the hard. The boat weighs ~24,000 pounds, with a nearly 10,000 lb lead wing keel. You'd think it would be quite stable on the hard even with 230 pounds aloft on a 60 ft lever arm, but I guess it depends on how well placed and reliable the stands are.
Exactly. As opposed to sitting in water, where a mild sway standing in dock could be several feet at top of mast.
Generally when I fall, I fall straight down. Assuming the mast remains stationary and I don't, I'm hitting the deck whether it's on land or sea.

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I'm pretty sure that if a stand kicks out and the boat rolls you are going to be smashed to bits on the ground or a neighboring boat. It has little to do with falling to your deck.
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I'm pretty sure that if a stand kicks out and the boat rolls you are going to be smashed to bits on the ground or a neighboring boat. It has little to do with falling to your deck.
Is a stand more likely to kick out because someone is up the mast?
Stands should not be kicking out except maybe in high winds.
Ech, sore subject for me.

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Is a stand more likely to kick out because someone is up the mast?
Stands should not be kicking out except maybe in high winds.
Ech, sore subject for me.
I would think so. An average- or larger-sized person at the top of the mast is putting a lot more leverage on the whole system than wind hitting the hull or topsides a few feet off the ground. Also remember that if the boat shifts a little in the water it will just rock back, and if it shifts a bit on the stands you are in big trouble.
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I would think so. An average- or larger-sized person at the top of the mast is putting a lot more leverage on the whole system than wind hitting the hull or topsides a few feet off the ground. Also remember that if the boat shifts a little in the water it will just rock back, and if it shifts a bit on the stands you are in big trouble.
I get the lever thing. However the center of gravity of the boat will barely change with a several thousand pound keel and hull and a 200 pound man going straight up above the center. Unless you're planning on swinging wildly away from the mast you are going to have negligible effect on the boat as a whole.

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Re: going up the mast for the first time

As others have said earlier, I am always surprised how much I end up swinging around up there (and the size of the bruises that can result).
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Re: going up the mast for the first time

There are people who send up a thick line on the spinnaker halyard then help pull themselves up, along with gripping the mast with their knees to basically climb the mast while the helper pulls the boson's chair up to the butt of the climber. Saw this on You Tube if you go there and search for New Back Stay. I have used the ATN Climber and it is doable but not as easy as others make it look, especially if one is out of shape and overweight.
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There are people who send up a thick line on the spinnaker halyard then help pull themselves up, along with gripping the mast with their knees to basically climb the mast while the helper pulls the boson's chair up to the butt of the climber. Saw this on You Tube if you go there and search for New Back Stay. I have used the ATN Climber and it is doable but not as easy as others make it look, especially if one is out of shape and overweight.
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If you are going to send up anther line (a good idea IMO), it makes sense to pull up a climbing rope (or at least a line that has not been out in the sun for years) in place of the halyard, not just attached to it. That way you know that the rope you are climbing on is safe, there is no attachment point to the halyard to fail, and there are no nagging concerns about just exactly how much UV exposure the halyard got over its life and how much it has been weakened.
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Re: going up the mast for the first time

I am another who thinks the ATN climber is a load of dogs bollocks.

Mate of mine, electrician 28 years old fit as a Ninja wants to try his out on my mast... 54 ft only so not big.

He was buggered.
He was stuffed
He was done like a baked dinner.

And he's 28 and fit. Not some 65 year old beer sodden fat bellied, lard ass like the vast majority of us.

Think physics: pulling or pushing your body up a vertical height takes one hell of a lot of energy.

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