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Re: Beneteau seacock and thru-hull response

If I remember it right: CE standards requests thru hulls to last at least 5 years, which means replacement after that time.
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If I remember it right: CE standards requests thru hulls to last at least 5 years, which means replacement after that time.
I canít say if thatís true, but I do recall that is Beneteauís recommendation. IF itís true, it goes to show the CE is a manufacturing standard, not a safety standard. All the EU countries came together to agree on the minimums, so one wouldnít undercut the other.

While our boat has more holes than Swiss cheese (a fact that is also not Swan-like, but Iím fine with), Iím trying to mentally calcukate the additional cost to provide proper thru hull equip. Labor would be the same. I can also live with adhesive against a proper flange, as opposed to the hard core backing plate and through bolted. Maybe another grand in parts on our boat? Iím the second owner (bought when she was 4 yrs old), but have the POís invoice. Fully fitted he paid roughly $800k, in 2004. I canít imagine another grand was a factor.

Beneteau Group (J and B) does a great job of providing bang for your buck. But there is a fine line between value engineering and cutting corners. They stepped over the line with this one.
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I canít say if thatís true, but I do recall that is Beneteauís recommendation. IF itís true, it goes to show the CE is a manufacturing standard, not a safety standard. All the EU countries came together to agree on the minimums, so one wouldnít undercut the other.
I don't remember the details but I believe Jeff_H explained that this is the case very clearly some time ago.

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While our boat has more holes than Swiss cheese (a fact that is also not Swan-like, but Iím fine with), Iím trying to mentally calcukate the additional cost to provide proper thru hull equip. Labor would be the same. I can also live with adhesive against a proper flange, as opposed to the hard core backing plate and through bolted.
I would not call it 'hard core' to expect a backing plate and sea c*cks through-bolted. This is a safety critical measure.

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Maybe another grand in parts on our boat? Iím the second owner (bought when she was 4 yrs old), but have the POís invoice. Fully fitted he paid roughly $800k, in 2004. I canít imagine another grand was a factor.
And now calculate the additional cost for YOU, the owner, of having all sea-c*cks replaced every 5 years.

Since you have the boat now for 14 years, you surely have replaced all of them twice already, right? And you are ready to do it again next year, right again?

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Beneteau Group (J and B) does a great job of providing bang for your buck. But there is a fine line between value engineering and cutting corners. They stepped over the line with this one.
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Re: Beneteau seacock and thru-hull response

You people are complaining about the wrong people. Beneteau is a business and a abusinesses job is to make a profit. If it takes putting cheap through hulls/valves in their boats to do that the only ones really at fault are buyers who are just getting what they were willing to pay for!
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You people are complaining about the wrong people. Beneteau is a business and a abusinesses job is to make a profit. If it takes putting cheap through hulls/valves in their boats to do that the only ones really at fault are buyers who are just getting what they were willing to pay for!
Stockholders may not be looking 10-20 years forward...but they should be paying people who are.
I have no idea if this is truly a serious long term concern or not.
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Iím pretty sure they stopped using them. That may say something.


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Since you have the boat now for 14 years, you surely have replaced all of them twice already, right? And you are ready to do it again next year, right again?
Can you imagine the level of insanity necessary to go through the effort of replacing them and using the same crap? Mine are being replaced, a couple at a time, with Groco and Perko products, which will outlive me.
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You people are complaining about the wrong people. Beneteau is a business and a abusinesses job is to make a profit. If it takes putting cheap through hulls/valves in their boats to do that the only ones really at fault are buyers who are just getting what they were willing to pay for!
Really? You expect the average boat buyer to check material and equipment specs on a new boat? This is just shoddy engineering. There are ways to build a boat to a price point. Putting unsuitable equipment that is safety related is not one.

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Re: Beneteau seacock and thru-hull response

There are two things a boat must do, or her Captain must insure: she doesnít catch fire and she doesnít allow water on the inside. Everything else that may go wrong is just inconvenient.

In just about every other industry, these would be deemed unsafe and subjected to mandatory recall, even though most work. I got all brand new fire extinguishers for that reason. Tried the old one for giggles, it worked fine.
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