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Re: Is the boat yard screwing you? stories

I edited the specific business names. I want to discuss this thread with the other moderators. While I see the benefit of discussing problems we've had with boatyards, we do have a rule about bashing specific businesses when they have no opportunity to respond to the allegations. Also, the title of the thread implies that it was created for anyone to tell their stories. If that's the case, I sort of think an in-line discussion with multiple stories might get confusing?

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Re: Is the boat yard screwing you? stories

I have to agree with Donna here. There is no positive that can come from outing a particular business with out allowing them to present their side of the story. Things are rarely black and white.

I have to take issue with you painting all marinas workyards with a negative brush. Extrapolating from your personal bad experience ( to which you donít even have all the facts I seems) to all working marine departments is irresponsible is My humble opinion. To encourage a ***** session of marine workers is like feeding red meat to a lion. I also have an issue with you attacking previous work done before you by going after the worker and totally absolving the owner of any responsibility here. I donít care how old or nice he is, it is incredulous to beleive he knew nothing about the appendage or repair.

We all have had bad work done on our boats I would bet. We have all probably learned how to do many projects from boatyards also. Therefore we have had good experiences also. You should try and practice do diligence when selecting someone to do the work. Check references...etc. if you leave simple projects , maintainence to a yard a forgo learning how to do it yourself, understand most good yards use lower qualified persons to perform mai tainence items. I have a personal marine mechanic I have used through the years. He has his own Sailboat too. I trust him. It took a few years to find him. I agree with SanderO , if you have work done.....be there. Even to learn also. If you choose to just trust blindly youíll get s rowed sometimes, plus you wonít increase your knowledge either.

I read here sometimes shaking my head as I see people throw their money at a boatyard to fix issues for them, but fail to research the issue themselves and be an ACTIVE participant in the repair. Another issue these type of people have is when they break down or the part breaks. They have NO clue how to fix it. They just try and call someone.....or get towed. Iíve seen this happen with something as simple as a radiator belt, or shore power charger. Most cruisers on here Don10 or Aj know how to track down a fix their own problems I bet. Not becUse they are cheap...but because there isnít someone always around.

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I have a personal marine mechanic I have used through the years. He has his own Sailboat too. I trust him. It took a few years to find him. I agree with SanderO , if you have work done.....be there. Even to learn also. If you choose to just trust blindly youíll get s rowed sometimes, plus you wonít increase your knowledge either.
The rest of us (who don't have time, or don't have a good mechanic, or are just lowly scum that don't want to learn something) can complain about their woes here .

This isn't a thread about a specific named boat yard, or about all boat yards. If anyone makes such claims I would expect they should be moderated on an individual basis...
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...I agree with SanderO , if you have work done.....be there. Even to learn also.....

...I read here sometimes shaking my head as I see people throw their money at a boatyard to fix issues for them, but fail to research the issue themselves and be an ACTIVE participant in the repair. Another issue these type of people have is when they break down or the part breaks. They have NO clue how to fix it. They just try and call someone.....or get towed. I’ve seen this happen with something as simple as a radiator belt, or shore power charger......

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Still (sigh) can't reply to PMs so thank you for pointing out that I missed a spot in my edit.

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Re: Is the boat yard screwing you? stories

I don't think it's reasonable to expect every one to have the time and skills to fix every problem on their boat.

Of course full time live aboard have the time to fix every problem themselves, that's because they are all retired. They have all the time in the world to putter around on issues with their boats.

I do all my own work now, I have even bought a heavy duty sowing machine to make my own sails. That hasn't always been the case though. There was a time in my 30's when I often worked 80-90 hours a week. I definitely hired mechanics to do a lot of work for me then, even paid for simple jobs like oil changes and shrink wrapping.

Saying people should get burned by shady business practices because they don't have time to rebuild their own engine or sails doesn't make much sense to me. Sometimes we need to hire boat yards to do work for us.
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Re: Is the boat yard screwing you? stories

It is ridiculous to expect every boat owner to fix everything on his boat himself . I sail with several boat owners that should never be allowed to fix anything. I also know several boat repair people that should never be allowed to fix anything either.
The boat yard has a tough job. they are working for some of the fussiest people, that have money but don't want to let go of it for something that is only used a few days a year. When ever I use the yard to do anything I make sure they understand what they need to do and what I expect them to do and not to do. mostly use them to do the heavy lifting stuff, like polish the hull paint the bottom so while they do that I can work on the more technical problems that need to be done with the boat out of the water.
The yard has to work with people that charge $250 per hour and call them selves experts even when even they admit that they are only practicing law or medicine and expect that they will do a good job working on there pride and joy for $75 per hour. maybe the yard should just advertise they are practicing boat repair and they could charge the $250 per hour for their services as the other so called experts do.
I hear owners complaining about how much they got over charged at the yard, for how little they did and how simple it is to do. I ask them why did you pay them to do that simple task, why did you not just do it yourself? I ask them if they had to do that so called simple task what would they charge? They usually then admit that they would not do that dirty pain in the ass job for twice the amount that they go charged.
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The rest of us (who don't have time, or don't have a good mechanic, or are just lowly scum that don't want to learn something) can complain about their woes here .

This isn't a thread about a specific named boat yard, or about all boat yards. If anyone makes such claims I would expect they should be moderated on an individual basis...
IMO the title of this thread is offensive: "Is your boatyard screwing you?"

The thread starter wasn't "screwed by a boat yard."

The "woes" of the thread-starter are a consequence of buying a really old boat without hiring a surveyor. He bought a boat that had problems. That's an expensive way to learn a lesson and, for that, I feel sorry for his woes. But he would have gotten a lot more sympathy and tea from me if hadn't been so quick to blame somebody who probably was blameless.

Where would we be without boatyards? Even those of us who do a lot of our own work rely on them.

Can we re-title the thread "Thank Goodness for Boatyards?"

Judy

PS. To be patently direct and open about it: I work in the marine trades (not a boat yard though). I have collaborated with many fine boatyard owners and riggers across the USA. They do a tremendous service to the boating community.

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Thank goodness for boatyards! :wink

There! I renamed the thread.

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Re: Is the boat yard screwing you? stories

I''ve spent a lot of money at boat yards over the years. I've had a few issues, but overall, they have been really positive experiences. Yes, things can get expensive, but I've never felt ripped off. Yes, some issues can become complicated, but that's what boats do. The best results are when I am closely involved in the process.
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