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Scandium 01-07-2019 10:48 AM

Liner cleaning from leak, how difficult?
 
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Looked at a prospective boat, and it had some nasty water leaking in through the chainplates (and bulkhead?), and a few stanchions. It's on the hard, this was after a solid day of pretty heavy rain here. At least it's only been in fresh water so no salt anywhere. I was in a bit of hurry, and the seller hovered over me and wouldn't shut up, but will go back in a few weeks and check more thoroughly for rot, water damage under the leak areas etc. I'm not sure how the whole width of the bulkhead got saturated?

I'm trying to judge how bad this is, whether I should try to get the price down hoping to fix the leak and clean up the liner, or just move on. Rebed looks easy, but how hard is this stuff to clean up? Will there be mold that I'll never get out? WWYD..? Assuming there's no rot inside or deck, is the cleanup & rebed a simple fix if I can get this boat for a good price? It looked ok otherwise. It's a 1999 model if that makes a difference.
Thanks

Skipper Jer 01-07-2019 11:26 AM

Re: Liner cleaning from leak, how difficult?
 
My first thought, "RUN AWAY". Then looking at the pictures I had additional thoughts. Focus on the third picture, see where the washer has crushed the wood? Wood soft, not good. If that is correct then the entire bulkhead needs to be replaced. Also I'm wondering why in the second picture there are a mixture of bolts and wood screws on the chain plate. If you do decide to purchase this boat get a survey and even then there might be additional "surprises" you hadn't counted on.

Scandium 01-07-2019 11:56 AM

Re: Liner cleaning from leak, how difficult?
 
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Originally Posted by Skipper Jer (Post 2051575006)
My first thought, "RUN AWAY". Then looking at the pictures I had additional thoughts. Focus on the third picture, see where the washer has crushed the wood? Wood soft, not good. If that is correct then the entire bulkhead needs to be replaced. Also I'm wondering why in the second picture there are a mixture of bolts and wood screws on the chain plate. If you do decide to purchase this boat get a survey and even then there might be additional "surprises" you hadn't counted on.

Yes I leaning more towards that as I look at the photos pondering this. Don't want to get stuck with this headache as my first boat. It's sad as the boat was nice otherwise, and the precision 23 is hard to find (closest other for sale is Minneapolis!). The guy selling (for a friend) of course made no big deal off it, but admitted the owner "wasn't into maintenance.. So everything was original on the boat too.

Wondering if it's even worth going back, but we'll be just 40 min away so can't hurt I guess.

PhilCarlson 01-07-2019 01:43 PM

Re: Liner cleaning from leak, how difficult?
 
If you're OK with replacing that bulkhead, then go for it.

Not sure how difficult it will be on that boat, but consider that the bulkhead is plywood. When it gets wet enough, it delaminates. The water intrusion will have let water work it's way down in between the plys making the problem much greater than what you see on the outside. When you tighten the rig, or load it hard, the bolts will start to work the rotten wood.

Proceed with extreme caution.

overbored 01-07-2019 02:31 PM

Re: Liner cleaning from leak, how difficult?
 
Call Precision and ask them how hard it is to change the bulkhead . they still make the boat so parts can be ordered. liner can be replaced. use the the fact that it needs to be replace to make the boat safe as a means to get t the best price.

Scandium 01-07-2019 02:46 PM

Re: Liner cleaning from leak, how difficult?
 
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Originally Posted by PhilCarlson (Post 2051575030)
If you're OK with replacing that bulkhead, then go for it.

Not sure how difficult it will be on that boat, but consider that the bulkhead is plywood. When it gets wet enough, it delaminates. The water intrusion will have let water work it's way down in between the plys making the problem much greater than what you see on the outside. When you tighten the rig, or load it hard, the bolts will start to work the rotten wood.

Proceed with extreme caution.

uhm, yeah not really. I supposed if I get the price down it might not be huge deal, but at this point in my life I'd rather get a boat that's more or less ready to go. Adding new stuff, replacing sails etc I'm fine with, but compromised structural integrity is where I draw the line.. Call me a wimp I guess.

And considering the PO was "not good about maintenance" according to the seller, who knows what else is lurking! Think I got enough bad vibes from this one

fallard 01-07-2019 06:32 PM

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Skipper Jer called it right. Run, donít walk from this one! Sure, it might be fixable, but only if the price is right and you are interested in a project boat. Go with your gut (and vibes).

RegisteredUser 01-07-2019 06:59 PM

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Dont pay to be whipped, even in private.
Less abused and more cared for is available.
Have fun looking...and learn from each one

paulk 01-07-2019 08:26 PM

Re: Liner cleaning from leak, how difficult?
 
May be worth looking more carefully. We have leaky chainplates too. (On the project list...) The wood on our bulkhead has dark streaks and soft spots on both forward and aft sides. The wood is, however, only a thin veneer that covers a solid fiberglass bulkhead. Since there's no plywood anywhere in it, the damage is essentially just cosmetic. Make sure what you're looking at before making assumptions. I was also involved at one point with a Pearson 36 that a surveyor found did have a rotted plywood main bulkhead sandwiched between outside layers of formica. The whole thing had to be removed & replaced. The price went down about 10K on that one, but the sale still went through because the rest of the boat was in nice shape. (And they're nice boats.) So... if the bulkhead is plywood: beware. If it isn't- this could be the boat for you.

Arcb 01-07-2019 08:35 PM

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Was this the $15000 Precision 23 you mentioned in the other thread?

For $15k a small trailer sailor should be darn near pristine.

If this is the boat, and thats the price, I personally wouldnt be too keen on this boat.


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