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skills4lou 02-11-2019 09:56 PM

Tides Marine mast track
 
I've been pricing out a replacement mast for my San Juan 21. The existing mast broke, and a previous owner spliced it back together. The problem is the track on the luff side (hope I used the correct term!) has some damage and as a result the slugs on the main come right out when I raise it to that position. While searching I found a link to the mast track system. I'm wondering if this might be an acceptable solution to the problem?
I live in Montana, this boat will be used on local lakes only. The first quote I have received back is $1900 plus shipping. That's $1700 more than I paid for the boat. More importantly, I have to convince the wife that money spent on "that old heap" will be worth it in the end. She would rather have a motor boat.
So considering the use and budget, am I being reasonable in thinking the mast track will be a good solution?
Thanks!

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skills4lou 02-11-2019 09:58 PM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
I should also mention that I'm replacing all the running rigging, and slowly inspecting my way through the standing rigging, and expect to do some gelcoat repairs, and need to make me covers for the cushions, and.... You get the idea.

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Rezz 02-11-2019 10:25 PM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
Do you have a pic of the area where the slugs pop out? Honestly, for a boat that cost you so little (I know the feeling), cheaper may be the way to go. I'm wondering if you can just gently reshape the track with your tool of choice.

jblumhorst 02-12-2019 01:12 AM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skills4lou (Post 2051582548)
I've been pricing out a replacement mast for my San Juan 21. The existing mast broke, and a previous owner spliced it back together. The problem is the track on the luff side (hope I used the correct term!) has some damage and as a result the slugs on the main come right out when I raise it to that position. While searching I found a link to the mast track system. I'm wondering if this might be an acceptable solution to the problem?
I live in Montana, this boat will be used on local lakes only. The first quote I have received back is $1900 plus shipping. That's $1700 more than I paid for the boat. More importantly, I have to convince the wife that money spent on "that old heap" will be worth it in the end. She would rather have a motor boat.
So considering the use and budget, am I being reasonable in thinking the mast track will be a good solution?
Thanks!

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If you do decide to install a TidesTrack, it should cost around $750, not 1900.

tides track runs $26 - 28 per foot of luff. That’s around $650for a SanJuan 21. That includes the track and the slides for your sail. Plus about $100 shipping in the USA.

You can install the track yourself, and probably swap in the slides as well. Tides track is pretty diy friendly.

jarcher 02-12-2019 01:34 AM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
My boat has a Tides track. I didn't install it, it came with the boat, but as far as I know the track slides into the track for the sail. Mine is only secured a the very top and it's a much bigger boat. I'm having trouble understanding how your sail stops pop out of the track, so it makes me wonder if the Tides track would pull out as well.

I also wonder if you can solve the issue just by using bigger slugs on your mainsail luff.

Pics?

paulk 02-12-2019 07:24 AM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
A picture might help us get a better idea of the problem, but there might be two ways to fix this cheaply and easily. If the luff groove is too wide and the slugs pop out, take Rezz's idea and use a hammer with a wood block to bend the arms of the extrusion (gently) closer together. There's a thread on Sailing Anarchy (Dinghies) showing this problem and solution, with pictures. Put the section you're banging on a bench so you don't bend the mast. It might take an hour. If the issue is caused more by a gap in the mast extrusion - the sides of the groove are missing because that's where it broke - have a welder fill in the missing material so there's no gap. He'll need to be careful not to fill in the groove, or you'll have to grind it so the slugs will get through afterwards! It would be a big hassle, to get in there to open up passage for the slugs without bending the arms of the groove open and re-creating the problem! Someone here at the expensive end of the country might charge $60 for something like that. It might take him 15 minutes. You could also try such a fill-in repair using some epoxy goop, but a weld might end up lasting longer and looking better. (The epoxy would need to be painted, which means painting the whole mast...) K.I.S.S.!

hpeer 02-12-2019 08:17 AM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
We have Tides track I installed myself. It was not too hard.

Yes your price seems way out of wack. What size boat are we talking here?

The sail track has a life expectancy based upon UV exposure. It seems that it’s about 8 years minimum for tropical sun conditions. When you replace it they seem youbthe track alone at a reduced price.

Your P dimension is 23’ and tides is quoting $29.10/foot on their website, you may do better through a rigger. Anyway that looks like under $600. Maybe they thought you meant METERS?

I would also consider the weight you are adding to the mast. I would check that it is appropriate for such a small boat.

skills4lou 02-12-2019 09:06 AM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
Thanks everyone! The $1900 is for a new mast. Just the track is $700ish.
Post #6 is the problem I'm having. The track is widened at the break, allowing the slugs to pop out of the channel. I hadn't considered welding it. And I have the equipment to do just that. I guess for some stupid reason that just never occurred to me. I think my repair may have just gotten a lot less expensive!


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colemj 02-12-2019 11:27 AM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
Could you just screw a piece of aluminum plate to the mast to cover the wide/broken area?

Mark

JimMcGee 02-12-2019 04:11 PM

Re: Tides Marine mast track
 
Catalina Direct sells mast gates for the Catalina 22. From what you're describing these should do the trick for about $40 bucks. Drill four holes and you're done...

MastGater Sail Track Gate, C-22, CP-22

https://www.catalinadirect.com/images/E9017_S01.jpg


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