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Re: Drop down Windless

That boat has a roller furling head sail, so I can't see why obsession with a clear foredeck would matter enough to go through the effort and expensive of creating this modification. One would think they would have backed up 12 inches and secured it to the solid deck. I'm guessing there is a reason they could not, more than a reason this set up was preferable.


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I can completely understand why the owner doesnt want that big clunky windlass planted in the middle of his foredeck. If you run a spinnaker, then it would constantly foul sheets, guys, foreguy etc, not to mention being a tripping hazard when working on the foredeck. If you want to store a dinghy on deck it might be in the way. Even if you just want the foredeck for lounging.

The idea that it isn't readily available in an emergency is a spurious arguement: it looks to me like all you need to do is pull it into position and slip a pin through the holes...that takes maybe 10 seconds at the most? The fact that it is a manual windlass would cost far more time in an emergency.

The benefits of having it tucked away when not needed easily outweigh the slight inconvenience of deploying it before use.

On my boat the windlass is recessed so that it is flush with the deck, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I would never bolt a monstrosity like that in the middle of my deck.


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most of the new model boats have gone to the hidden Windless why would you want to trip over it on the foredeck. I have tripped over my share of them and if I had one I would have it mounted below deck
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I've often thought it would be interesting to have the powered windlass stored under the deck, so the foredeck would be clear. With all chain, a saltwater chain wash and power up/down this would be practical. I've seen it on a super yacht but not a small boat.
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most of the new model boats have gone to the hidden Windless why would you want to trip over it on the foredeck. I have tripped over my share of them and if I had one I would have it mounted below deck
Most of the boats I’ve chartered, newer Beneteaus and Jeanneaus, are like this. You open up the chain locker and there’s the electric windlass.

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most of the new model boats have gone to the hidden Windless why would you want to trip over it on the foredeck. I have tripped over my share of them and if I had one I would have it mounted below deck
The problem with this is using the windlass for anything other than anchoring.
We use our windlass to take someone aloft in the bosun's chair, bring the dink aboard on the foredeck or to pull the boat to a dock with a very strong off dock current.
I would also imagine that working on it in a confined space would be a lot more difficult. 3 or 4 times a year we take the gypsy and drum off for lubing and we clean the electrical connections.
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The problem with this is using the windlass for anything other than anchoring.
We use our windlass to take someone aloft in the bosun's chair, bring the dink aboard on the foredeck or to pull the boat to a dock with a very strong off dock current.
I would also imagine that working on it in a confined space would be a lot more difficult. 3 or 4 times a year we take the gypsy and drum off for lubing and we clean the electrical connections.
Until I got the Milwaukee with a winch bit I too used the windlass to go aloft. The Milwaukee is fabulous. It can be used on any winch including the mast winch which is better for putting a bosun up... a cockpit winch. I can even get the dink on the deck single handed with Millie using her pendant as a guide. The windlass you have to tail... not my winches... so I have a free hand!
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The problem with this is using the windlass for anything other than anchoring.
We use our windlass to take someone aloft in the bosun's chair, bring the dink aboard on the foredeck or to pull the boat to a dock with a very strong off dock current.
I would also imagine that working on it in a confined space would be a lot more difficult. 3 or 4 times a year we take the gypsy and drum off for lubing and we clean the electrical connections.
those are valid concerns but we have electric winches so we would never need to use the windless for other jobs. we don't have a windless no need here not may places to anchor. we do on occasion use the electric winches on an anchor rode.

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Re: Drop down Windless

Why would you use a windlass to go aloft? That is what a halyard winch is for! Same goes for lifting dingies. All the lead angles are correct to run the halyard to it's appropriate clutch and winch.

On most boats I have sailed on it would be very strange to try to re run a halyard forward to the windlass, although I suppose if your boat is old school and has the halyards terminated on the mast it might be easier. Even if they were inclined to repurpose their windlass like that, there is no reason they couldn't do so with their retractable setup.

Of course our new boat has the luxury of a power halyard winch, so I no longer have to grind my wife up the mast, now she can send me up with the push of a button!

In terms of servicing I would think his retractable setup would be much easier to service. They could just remove the pivot pin and the whole assembly can be removed and serviced on a work bench! What's not to like about that?
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