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Glad you're keeping the windscreen. I've looked into fabricating a hardtop for my Rasmus, but I'm pretty happy with the soft top.
If you have to repower in the next few years (or weeks, you never know) the soft top pops off easily for engine haul out.
I've seen a picture on yachtworld of a Rasmus in Annapolis maybe; it has a hard dodger that stands independent of the windscreen. Looks functional.
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Mine is repowered in 1995, so I certainly hope not to have to do that for a while (but hardtop is not too difficult to remove anyway). I've seen the one in Annapolis (and a few others) - the top that sits directly on the windscreen is original. The one in North Carolina has a custo made top that sits on its own supports, but that's a very different beast.

BTW, the company that I am planning to hire to build a hardtop would give a discount for multiple units Just in case you may be interested after all.
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How much would the hardtop be? It sure would be nice. My pal has a shop with a vacuum bagger. I was considering fabricating a hard top.
I'd like to stay in touch with you for some advice. I tried to PM you, but I have an insufficient post total.
I'd love to know more about your repower experience!
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Did you look at the pictures on the Wavestopper website? It looks like they have done custom installation on boats that have glass windshields; this picture shows it:


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Not much to add to this thread other than that I agree with not removing the original windscreen but as a lurker in this thread i'd just like to thank you all and in particular Halekai. Fabulous input.

Off topic, in that its nothing to do with windscreen but any comments on this design ???



Could that track you were talking about Halekai, work with this dodger ? The main weakness's in it that I see are that I'm sure water could get in under those deck joins and I don't like those studs.

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Did you look at the pictures on the Wavestopper website? It looks like they have done custom installation on boats that have glass windshields; this picture shows it:
I have seen all these pictures (and even actual installations though not that one). The one with the windshield has two arches inside the windshield (forward arch is somewhat hidden behind windshield post but you can see it). For reasons I can't explain without lots of pictures that is not possible on my boat. And if the forward arch is moved outside, hardtop has to overhang the windshield - which is a problem because these wavestopper tops are not designed for that type of installation.
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I have seen all these pictures (and even actual installations though not that one). The one with the windshield has two arches inside the windshield (forward arch is somewhat hidden behind windshield post but you can see it). For reasons I can't explain without lots of pictures that is not possible on my boat. And if the forward arch is moved outside, hardtop has to overhang the windshield - which is a problem because these wavestopper tops are not designed for that type of installation.
It would appear that one of the more difficult things with the windscreen is getting the dodger itself high enough. While that one solves the problem by adding the false screen above the original it's not the prettiest of results is it ?

I'd have to say that if i was given the choice between the dodger on that Catalina at the cost of losing the solid screen and the dodger incorporatin the solid screen, I'd probably, though not without a lot of regret go for the Catalina type. It is quite superb, judging by the pics. (Though I think the extended canvas incorporating the bimini lacks elegence.)

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Not much to add to this thread other than that I agree with not removing the original windscreen but as a lurker in this thread i'd just like to thank you all and in particular Halekai. Fabulous input.

Off topic, in that its nothing to do with windscreen but any comments on this design ???



Could that track you were talking about Halekai, work with this dodger ? The main weakness's in it that I see are that I'm sure water could get in under those deck joins and I don't like those studs.

Dodger:

First that is a good looking dodger! It has great crown, fits the boat very well and is drum tight which is perhaps the single most important feature for longevity. We do things slightly different but that is a very good piece of work built by someone who knows their stuff. It looks like a Thurston, or well made JSI dodger but I see your not even in the US..

Some tricks we use which are slightly different:

Thread color always matches the canvas. It hides bar tacks and end stitches much better and makes for an aesthetically pleasing product. Most shops just use white because it's less costly than stocking 40+ thread colors and swapping out on your machines for every job.

Both angles of the stainless frame tubing showing through on the side windows would be covered with a 2" wide lapel in the same color Sunbrella. Many installers don't or won't do this because they are not precise enough when patterning to know that the dodger will fit exactly. If the lapels are off even slightly, and don't match the tubing angles exactly, it makes it look worse. We use two inch so that as the dodger stretches over time, and you tighten the support struts to compensate, you have a little "wiggle room" on tolerance.

We don't use suede. It tends to shrink at a different rate than Sunbrella it can also pucker and will harden over time. If we have a customer that insists on Suede we pre-treat the suede with two coats of 303 Fabric Guard. It also get dirty easily. We use Staimoid in place of the suede and it's bullet proof. My next dodger will be Stamoid..

Awning Track

Yes, and it would replace the buttons under the FRONT windows only. From the looks of it you would have a port, center and stbd pieces. the sides would stay snaps as there really is no need and your side windows are removable..

This can be added after the fact and the button holes can be easily hidden with a new pieces of Sunbrella when the luff tape is sewn on to fit into the track.

Do NOT use the "budget canvas guy" to do this job. FIT is everything and the measurements, placement & heat bending of the of the track are CRITICAL for the final fit!! Find the best DODGER guy, not necessarily canvas, but the best dodger guy, in the area and use him to do the job!!

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The more I read this, the more I understand that this is definitely a job I have to do myself. Nobody else cares about my boat as much as I do and no matter how much I pay - it won't be done right by someone else. And this one I can't hide.

Well, that's gonna be an interesting summer
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Halekai,
My apologies for not replying but I missed your reply post. To avoid hijacking the thread completely see my PM to you.
Thanks again.
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