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With the Florida House of Representatives early adjournment the bills are dead for now. It will be a sure bet that they will come up again at the next session. News release from Waterway Guide:

'Time to celebrate' - Florida anchoring battle won...for now located in General | Waterway Guide News Update
Thanks to all you who had a hand in slowing this thing down. We're heading that way again soon, and it has been hard sitting here in Texas waiting to see how things played out. Thanks again!

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With the Florida House of Representatives early adjournment the bills are dead for now. It will be a sure bet that they will come up again at the next session. News release from Waterway Guide:

'Time to celebrate' - Florida anchoring battle won...for now located in General | Waterway Guide News Update
Good news for now, but have I have no doubt, that the people pushing this, will be back next year, with more money to spread around. All it takes to get these bills re-introduced, is money, and they have plenty of that.

We have to win every time. They only have to win once. Sooner or later, they will.

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Of course it only law if you choose to obey it. short of that I believe its unenforceable really.
a cruising boat meh.

Some guy who boat has turned into a garbage scow will have a problem. I hope it cleans it up if its really a problem. I would love to see these boats show up for purchase.

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Good news for now, but have I have no doubt, that the people pushing this, will be back next year, with more money to spread around. All it takes to get these bills re-introduced, is money, and they have plenty of that.

We have to win every time. They only have to win once. Sooner or later, they will.
Their lobbyist (forget her name right now) says they're not going after short-stay cruisers, that it's the derelict boats that they're really opposed to. If so, it's a shame that the money they're pissing away on lobbyists and political donations (ahem, bribes) can't be redirected to pay for enforcement of existing laws against derelict boats. A "removal and disposal" fund, perhaps. That would solve their real problem without hurting legitimate cruisers.
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Of course it only law if you choose to obey it. short of that I believe its unenforceable really.
So when they succeed at outlawing overnight anchoring in small coves (<200 feet from shore), a LEA boat goes around to all anchored boats and writes a citation. If the citation is ignored, the next time he arrests the occupants.

What about this is unenforceable?

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Some guy who boat has turned into a garbage scow will have a problem. I hope it cleans it up if its really a problem. I would love to see these boats show up for purchase.
I've seen you say this before, and I think you really don't understand derelict boats. They're worthless. Nobody wants to take possession of them because of high disposal costs. I guarantee you that if they had value, people would take possession and put them up for sale. It's not happening because the boats have no value.
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Good news for now, but I have no doubt, that the people pushing this, will be back next year,
You are surely correct. At least now we have seen how they may approach it next year. Derelicts, blah, blah blah. Vessel safety, blah, blah, blah.

Florida boaters should also mark their calendar's. This will come up again in a short nine months.

Most likely, will once again be introduced by the Senate Environmental Preservation Committee or the House Highway and Waterway Safety Committee.

It should also be noted that the FWC has been a willing participant in trying to enact these anchoring restrictions. Richard Moore has gone out of his way and way above the call of duty in helping set the stage for these bills, especially SB 1548.

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Their lobbyist (forget her name right now) says they're not going after short-stay cruisers, that it's the derelict boats that they're really opposed to. If so, it's a shame that the money they're pissing away on lobbyists and political donations (ahem, bribes) can't be redirected to pay for enforcement of existing laws against derelict boats. A "removal and disposal" fund, perhaps. That would solve their real problem without hurting legitimate cruisers.

So when they succeed at outlawing overnight anchoring in small coves (<200 feet from shore), a LEA boat goes around to all anchored boats and writes a citation. If the citation is ignored, the next time he arrests the occupants.

What about this is unenforceable?


I've seen you say this before, and I think you really don't understand derelict boats. They're worthless. Nobody wants to take possession of them because of high disposal costs. I guarantee you that if they had value, people would take possession and put them up for sale. It's not happening because the boats have no value.
Oh I see. I figured it was just live aboards who just didn't keep up with the boats.

As for an LE boat..Do they have the money to do that? with all the other real issues going on, will they spend time and manpower bothering the 65+ old couple on their way to the ICW? What id the demographic of a cruiser? I think it more innocuous than some one who plays golf!

Suggestion: Perhaps legislators should be approached to promulgate rules for transient boats.you can remain no more than 48 hours in one place. then you have to move on. Still probably unenforceable, but then again cruising boats aren't the problem they are trying to solve, if I understand the situation.
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but then again cruising boats aren't the problem they are trying to solve, if I understand the situation.
No, you do not understand the situation........

It's any boat anchored near their property. That is the problem they are trying to solve. They do not care if you are in a 27 year old Catalina 22 or a $5,000,000.00 Swan. They do not want you to anchor behind their house........
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No, you do not understand the situation........

It's any boat anchored near their property. That is the problem they are trying to solve. They do not care if you are in a 27 year old Catalina 22 or a $5,000,000.00 Swan. They do not want you to anchor behind their house........
that BS do they own the water? it is in their lot line?

Will they now have "rights" to the view scape?

yuck.

again I'd work on exceptions for cruising boats. derelicts or squatters sure move em out. In my neighborhood you can't park RVs like that (on the street) but if its not permanent (like 48 hours) they have to leave.

I think that would be a good compromise for cleaning up the problem (derelict boats, squatters) and people legitimately using the public waterway.

This is the approach I would take.

So I say Sail net member in Florida need to start buttonholing their reps to set the ground up before the next session. or talk to the sailing orgs already on the job and convey that message.
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It should also be noted that the FWC has been a willing participant in trying to enact these anchoring restrictions. Richard Moore has gone out of his way and way above the call of duty in helping set the stage for these bills, especially SB 1548.
Yeah, there can't be anyone left who doesn't realize at this point, that the FWC survey was specifically written to support the proposed legislation. FWC has picked sides, and it's not the boaters' side.

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FWC should have better things to do...but they are controlled ultimately by Tallahassee...
For starters, the weekend ICW in populated areas is a pretty wild place...drunk boaters behind the wheel of 1000 hp fast vessels in narrow channels with growing numbers of kayakers,paddleboarders and small craft trying to negotiate the "wave pool" the ICW has become...Then there's illegal mangrove cutting...poaching, and otherwise undersize fish and seafood harvesting,and the list of things goes on and on that are occurring that are more important to the general citizenry which need to be addressed before a few *****y waterfront owners should be catered to...
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