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Re: This is probably a complicated topic, but...

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Hi Scott, I see you and Noi are on the road (er, water) and sailing somewhere. I am following your blog to see how it all turns out. Sounds like interesting stuff!

With that said, posting second hand marina talk about Bahamian law, and posting examples like "I know a guy who knows of a guy who"... is very American and probably worth the same amount eye rolls as the American gun stuff from the international travelers around you. Seriously..

You're now breathing the rarified air out (up?) there, time to act like it! (lol, I keed, I keed... but really, marina gossip from a Bahamian dock boy? You were a journalist for god's sakes! Oh the humanity..).





How do the international travelers know? How do you know? How does anyone even know anyone is "packing heat" in the Bahamas? What are the details about how you found out about the three chaps packing heat there where you're at? I'm genuinely curious who brought it up and how you know of three Americans carrying in the Bahamas? Do the Americans you know of packing heat there walk around like The Duke daring someone to "make their day"? Were they bragging about it during cocktail hour? Were they asked about it preemptively due to being American? Inquiring minds want to know!
Well, I'm not exactly in full reporter mode these days. So, I am not making phone calls and fact-checking. My wifi is somewhat limited as well. I have a reasonable expectation that the locals know the law. And, actually, the scenario you present, a discussion over cocktails, is exactly how I learned one cruiser was carrying. We had drinks the other night and U.S. politics came up, with a pair of Aussies interested in talking about Trump and then guns (they had heard something about Obama's executive order). That broached the topic. The American volunteered that he had a shotgun aboard. The next day, out of curiosity, I asked the dockmaster what the law was. So, there you go.

The Aussies, btw, who bought a boat in the U.S. and sailed it over, told the story about their friend who declined to declare, was fined and briefly jailed. Again, I have no reason to doubt the story, but I did make it clear that it was second-hand, so cum grano salis. You can read about some of this on my blog.

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.... It is perfectly possible, and reasonable, to travel while armed......
Terrific. Except the US (if you're a citizen) and the Bahamas, do you have any examples, where you didn't just hand it over, every time you presumably might need it?


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Ill be able to report on Cuba next winter. The Windward and Leeward Is are to far uphill for my taste

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This might be a good solution for some.

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Well, I'm not exactly in full reporter mode these days. So, I am not making phone calls and fact-checking. My wifi is somewhat limited as well. I have a reasonable expectation that the locals know the law. And, actually, the scenario you present, a discussion over cocktails, is exactly how I learned one cruiser was carrying. We had drinks the other night and U.S. politics came up, with a pair of Aussies interested in talking about Trump and then guns (they had heard something about Obama's executive order). That broached the topic. The American volunteered that he had a shotgun aboard. The next day, out of curiosity, I asked the dockmaster what the law was. So, there you go.

The Aussies, btw, who bought a boat in the U.S. and sailed it over, told the story about their friend who declined to declare, was fined and briefly jailed. Again, I have no reason to doubt the story, but I did make it clear that it was second-hand, so cum grano salis. You can read about some of this on my blog.
Dumb of the American to say he has a firearm aboard. No one cruising should (imo) tell anyone something like that. Boat gossip travels fast, why on earth would anyone blab that they have a firearm to strangers while in a foreign land...
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I've always wondered why it so important to each of the gun verse the anti-gun groups to "win" this topic. Just follow the laws of wherever you are and be done with it! If you aren't going to follow the law it means you are a criminal and should probably just shut up. Is it really any harder than this?
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" Just follow the laws of "
I believe Stalin would have endorsed that concept. But that Jefferson, Franklin, and even Machiavelli would have said, free men make the laws, only slaves are bound to blindly follow them.

And of course, territorial sovereignty is a whole other issue. Mr. Trump would go ballistic if a Russian surveillance aircraft flew from LA to DC, but no one seemed to think that Gary Powers and at least 50 other similar documented overflights of the USSR were somehow, less invasive.

Machiavelli would probably not be surprised to hear that five hundred years later, the same arguments and games were being played, with the same conveniently short memory spans.
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I have no idea what winning argument that is suppose to mean.

PS - who the hell cares what a bunch dead guys from days long gone had to say?

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the salt gun sounds cool, but what happens if the other guy has a real gun?
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