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But I have this vision "What if you were anchored in Porto Fino on your 160' mega yacht. The crew was ashore and you were sitting on the stern, nice glass of Montrachet in your hand and,,,,you were depressed. What now?

Doesn't, have anything to do with draft but it came to mind reading about feeling your boat was small.

[red]In my experience you can get by just fine almost anywhere with 6'3" draft.[/red]
As much as I would like to agree with this bob perry person, whom ever he may be.......

6'3" of draft in the 8' pram I had as a learning to sail, oh, built it me self teenager. would probably be a bit more than I needed. The CB with 1.5-2' was plenty for that boat.

So with ALL due respect to this Bob Perry person, again, whom ever he thinks he is.........."IT DEPENDS" is the correct answer, I might need to disCUSS the diaper variety of depends if he is whom I have a feeling he is.......I've been told someone of importance....like a boat designer architect type person.......

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Re: What type of Keel do you prefer....

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In my experience you can get by just fine almost anywhere with 6'3" draft.
Well, would depend on your definition of getting by 'just fine'. A 75" draft here would keep you out of more than half the marinas, and severely limit where you could sail and anchor. There are huge areas where you just can't go. And thousands of uncharted coral heads shallower than 75" in the areas where you can.
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Yes, but you are on the left coast. On the right coast, it helps to have less draft for some of our crowded anchorages. This poor fellow needed to draw less than 4' at the edge of the Cuttyhunk Town mooring field. Note the mooring ball off his stern. (BTW, he didn't need a tow, he waited for the tide and took a mooring in deeper water.)
Cuttyhunk Pond is the perfect example of why I prefer shoal draft. Our family of four, sailing from Maine, have spent many, many memorable days and nights at anchor in Cuttyhunk Pond.

Never a reservation - often on weekends in late August - we've only once had to take a mooring. That night, the mooring field was noisy, smelly(engines and generators running-one upwind all night), but it could be fun in there on a good night(not knocking it).

Anchored well outside the mooring field(beyond where this deep draft boat in your photo is aground), is a different world.

We've spent many days swimming, dinghy sailing in the shoal area. It's like having a private beach - our kids loved it growing up.

It's tricky anchoring, dicey holding but very well protected. Our long keel(board raised) combs the weeds and sand at LW. That's not for everybody but that pristine patch of shoal water is a lure I can't resist.

We would enjoy a different Cuttyhunk if our boat drew 6'. There's a good chance we wouldn't have found a mooring on many of our visits. Late in the day, we'd have anchored(or taken a mooring) in the outer harbor. I've watched the boats out there, still very nice but it's a different world at times due to the exposure.

A couple of peaceful nights at anchor in the Pond, we've been awakened at 4 or 5 am by the eerie cry of a pack of Coyotes traveling along tiny Copicut Neck. Hard to believe with so many boats just a few hundred yards away. We're in a different world.


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......Anchored well outside the mooring field(beyond where this deep draft boat in your photo is aground), is a different world.
That photo just put me over the edge. Now I really need to get back on the water. Cutty is a standard. Ironically, that is a Jeanneau 54 in your pic, but not us. It has to be one of the bareboat fleet out of Newport, because it's often right there. I suspect it's a private mooring, because the LOA is too long for the town field. Still, I've driven through the mooring field before, without trouble.

That little anchorage you've mentioned is interesting. Personally, I don't think I could sleep on anchor there,even if our draft allowed. As you note, the holding is so-so. We have a buddy that loves anchoring there. My biggest concern would be everyone anchored around me, swinging on different scopes a chain v rope, etc. I drop the hook outside everytime and only go with southerly winds.

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That's for sure. Great island to go ashore and walk around. Ice cream and lobster available at the height of the season. Multiple places to go swimming or picnic ashore. Dinghy across the outer harbor anchorage to see the cattle on Nashawena Island cooling themselves off. Totally different world.

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Re: What type of Keel do you prefer....

Can you guys tell me what kind of keel this is?People ask me all the time and I don't know what to say. Modified full keel? It has a center board. kevin
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Can you guys tell me what kind of keel this is?People ask me all the time and I don't know what to say. Modified full keel? It has a center board. kevin
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Your keel type would be a keel-centerboard with a spade rudder. In this case the centerboard is housed in a shoal draft fin keel. (The profile is a little misleading because if I remember correctly there was a skeg aft of the keel which housed the prop. shaft.)

This configuration was pretty common in the late 1960's and beginning of the 1970's. Probably the nicest of these was the S&S designed Tartan 34 but Charlie Morgan was about as good as the came when it came to designing keel-centerboard designs.

I have always been a big fan of this configuration. It is one of my favorite configurations for long distance cruising. With the board down this configuration generally went to weather well. Downwind the board could be raised to improve performance, yet the residual fin and separate rudder produced great control.

Another big advantage is to be able to partially raise the CB and balance out weather helm making it easier on the helmsman or autopilot.

I also like the ability to retract the board and slip into shallower channels or corners of harbors. It was thought that these boats did well in extreme conditions with the board raised reducing the impact of surface sheer in large breaking waves.

If there is a downside to this configuration it is that it is hard to get the ballast as low as a fixed fin, and so these boats typically exhibit a mix of being a little less stable than a fin keel version, having more wetted surface in order to increase the size of the fin to hold more ballast lower, and/or heavier since they need more ballast to make up for the shallower position of the ballast. They also require a little bit more maintenance but that usually is not to onerous. There is the whole mythology about clunking centerboards but I have not experienced that on boats this size, but that does not mean that clunking does not happen on some models of keel-centerboard designs.

I hope that clears that up for you,
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Re: What type of Keel do you prefer....

Ok, OK!
It depends is the correct answer. Now have fun with that.

My mooring, depending on tide, is about 85' off the beach and in 50' of water. I could care a less about draft. In the PNW we scream and crash tack when the depth meter reads 25'.
Draft is and always will be a personal problem. How do I know ? Trust me.

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Re: What type of Keel do you prefer....

Mr Curmudgeon, Very clear ! A most excellent explanation! I do appreciate it. Now I will have something to say when folks ask about her. She does point about 10 degrees better with the board down. I did some sailing tests one day, out on the river. No problem to use it. Wind it up, let it down. Thanks again... kevin
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Cuttyhunk Pond! What a great picture! I wanna go there! kevin
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I really prefer the keel type that is moving and affixed to a boat I am embarked on.

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