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Re: What type of Keel do you prefer....

I really like the swing keels like the new Pogo's have. They give you span, aspect ratio, low VCG and shoal draft all at once. Hard to beat that.

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Re: What type of Keel do you prefer....

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I really like the swing keels like the new Pogo's have. They give you span, aspect ratio, low VCG and shoal draft all at once. Hard to beat that.
Agreed.

Bob, do you know if the Pogo swing keel boats are designed to be able to dry out (beach, careen) with the keel in the retracted position?

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I don't know but given that the entire keel when retracted is still exposed I would doubt it. You would have to go to the Pogo sight and see what they promote. Maybe if the conditions were really benign it would work.

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Cutty is a standard. Ironically, that is a Jeanneau 54 in your pic, but not us. It has to be one of the bareboat fleet out of Newport, because it's often right there. I suspect it's a private mooring, because the LOA is too long for the town field. Still, I've driven through the mooring field before, without trouble.

That little anchorage you've mentioned is interesting. Personally, I don't think I could sleep on anchor there,even if our draft allowed. As you note, the holding is so-so. We have a buddy that loves anchoring there. My biggest concern would be everyone anchored around me, swinging on different scopes a chain v rope, etc. I drop the hook outside everytime and only go with southerly winds.

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The Town mooring in the photo is at the NW corner of the mooring field. The boat was from Newport and looked like a bareboat charter. The skipper apparently was trying to circle around and pick up this mooring, which appeared to be the last one available at that time.

Cuttyhunk is also one of our favorites. We try to pick up a rental piling just to the west in the photo and prefer the northerly row, which has about 4' at MLW. However, the pilings have been increasingly converted to private use, making it harder pick up a piling. We were on a Town mooring when I took that photo.

When a mooring is not available, my shallow draft comes in handy. We have anchored in 3-4' MLW to the north of the mooring field, where the floatplane "runway" used to be. As you implied, it isn't the best holding ground, but with our shallow draft, we don't have any near neighbor's to worry about. Our fallback position is to anchor outside, but we haven't had to do that yet. Besides it isn't convenient for lobster call at 5:10 PM.

The one and only time we've been towed in the 20 years we've owned our current Clearwater 35 we were on our way to Cuttyhunk. Unbeknowst to us, the New York Yacht Club got there first and when the SeaTow operator told me the big guys had taken over the outer anchorage and there were no moorings or slips in the inner harbor for a sailboat, I suggested he tow me into a shallow water area inside and I would "retract my landing gear". He then checked with the Harbormaster and got me a shallow water slip (3' MLW), which was very convenient for sorting out a motor problem the following morning.
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I don't know but given that the entire keel when retracted is still exposed I would doubt it. You would have to go to the Pogo sight and see what they promote. Maybe if the conditions were really benign it would work.
Bob, This article came up when I searched Pogo 30 beaching: New boat: Pogo 30

"Southern France is known for its sunny beaches, and the yacht designers at Finot-Conq must have had those destinations in mind when they designed the beachable Pogo 30. The 30-footer, a fractionally rigged racer-cruiser built by Chantier Naval Structures, has an optional hydraulically operated keel, an 8-foot ballasted fin that rotates back under the boat in shallow water giving the boat a 3-foot shoal draft. Cruisers can sail to a beach, raise the keel, and then "park" on optional aluminum beaching legs."



I guess the legs are necessary to keep the rudders clear of the bottom.

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Re: What type of Keel do you prefer....

hmmmm 25' to tack in.......

I'm usually 8-10', but like all things great and small "IT DEPENDS" upon where in the salish sea I am. Some places 25' is a good thing to tack, as a boat length later it will be 20, 15, 10 an 5' in 4 boat lengths.......as you hit a sand bar, rock called blakely or some other equal. Other places is can be 10-12' for a mile or so............

Mr Perry,

Did ALL them boats have a 6'3" draft?


Did not think so! LOLOL

This is a day for record books, I out did Mr Perry.........will have to start losing streak all over again tomorrow tho.....

Dang it. Will blame that fuzzy wombat character for this.......

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Bob, This article came up when I searched Pogo 30 beaching: New boat: Pogo 30

"Southern France is known for its sunny beaches, and the yacht designers at Finot-Conq must have had those destinations in mind when they designed the beachable Pogo 30. The 30-footer, a fractionally rigged racer-cruiser built by Chantier Naval Structures, has an optional hydraulically operated keel, an 8-foot ballasted fin that rotates back under the boat in shallow water giving the boat a 3-foot shoal draft. Cruisers can sail to a beach, raise the keel, and then "park" on optional aluminum beaching legs."



I guess the legs are necessary to keep the rudders clear of the bottom.

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While the writer may be correct about the beaching legs, they are not likely to be very useful in the south of France. Tidal range in Nice is at most about one foot. Beaches in the south of France also tend to be rocky, not sandy. Planting a support in the small, smooth stones would be very tricky. The coast on the English Channel is where French skippers aim to use their "béquilles"-(literally "crutches") to hold their centerboarders upright. There's plenty of tide and lots of wide sandy beaches. (That's why D-Day was there.) The crowded harbors can also make finding a quiet beach quite attractive.
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No Marty, put down the bottle. I never said all of the boats had 6'3" draft. Your losing streak continues. Sorry.

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