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you should hear me with an electric five string fiddle playing "La Grange" on the way into a marina....
ah haw haw haw haw...

hey just for grins I just looked up the average humidity for Cremona, Italy:
http://weather-averages.com/location/it/3177838-cremona

It's 82%. AVERAGE. pretty high. That compares to about 75% average in Florida. ( https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...ity-annual.php )

Ever heard of Cremona? Where it's more humid than Florida? Cremona is where a guy named Stradavari made lots of pretty high end violins, cellos, etc. back around 1700.

He shipped them by boat down a river to the ocean. Want to guess how many hermetically o-ring sealed hard cases with dessicants he used? Zip.

And yet, some of those violins are still extremely playable over three hundred years later, despite being made, stored, played, and transported by boats in high humidity. From what I can see, they seem to have kept their value fairly well. I think any one of them is worth more than all of the guitars mentioned in this thread , combined. Must have been his high tech, carbon and polymer construction methods........LOL
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Mahogany cabinetry purpose-built for a yacht will probably also be built in ways that allow for expansion and contraction of the wood. Even in landlubber furniture, cabinetmakers have long known how to let panels "move" in their frames, so that they don't split or warp.

As to how many guitars and other instruments, of unknown varying quality and materials, are being used by traveling musicians...I've heard all too many "one man bands" with an amplifier and one speaker cranked up way past "11". Sooner of later they'll be like many famous rock musicians, who wear flesh-colored earphones on tour now, because their hearing has been damaged by too many loud gigs.

Ages ago, I complained to Nakamichi that my tape deck wasn't quite right, and when the tech actually put a frequency counter on it, he said congratulations. It was running very slightly slow, less than the difference between a US and a European "A", which is 440 Hz to us colonials and 4 Hz different overseas. Or vice versa, I an never remember. But to most listeners? They'd never notice.

So maybe it isn't a question of how well guitars take to the sea, but rather, how good the guitarist's ears are, as well as how good the instrument is?

The original Philips CarryCorder sounded GREAT when it was new. Compared to whistling. Not so great compared to any iPod these days though. "In tune" can be a very relative thing.

If a musician wants to baby his instrument, who's to argue? Will a Stradivarius take to sea as well as a Gibson?
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Will a Stradivarius take to sea as well as a Gibson?
we'll have to come back in 300 years and check. My guess is the Strads will still be around. People are starting to take care of them these days.

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True... So true...

I'd love to see the guitar you've built for the boat! I carry a Chinese made Cordoba C5 solid top cedar guitar in the boat which costs approx. $300 (new) so inexpensive regarding Spanish guitars but plays like a $2000 guitar... I also have this same C5 Cordoba guitar but built in Portugal when they used to make them between Spain/Portugal (1950's - 2005) before they moved production to China... This guitar will never be taken out of the house for extended periods of time because of its value as well as my others guitars but I do occasionally take out the Ramirez guitars when playing with other players during small concertos/trios and that normally will last 1-2 hours at most.
Not great pix but this is the scaled down cedar boat guitar. I built it with a Spanish foot type neck, red cedar body and neck, with a bird's eye maple fretboard. Easy to play and small enough to stow easily. The cedar sems to be more durable than say, white/Adk spruce and the red cedar neck has held up remarkably well. The headstock is laminated with a piece of fiddleback maple from the fiddle building scrap piece pile:-)
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Sooner of later they'll be like many famous rock musicians, who wear flesh-colored earphones on tour now, because their hearing has been damaged by too many loud gigs.



So maybe it isn't a question of how well guitars take to the sea, but rather, how good the guitarist's ears are, as well as how good the instrument is?
While many rock musicians are mostly deaf, I'm pretty sure the main reason everyone now wears earphones is to hear a good mix on stage. Stages are larger and musicians interact with the audiences more, rather than standing on their taped "X". Simple stage monitors no longer work in this environment.

Sound is only half the equation. For me personally, it is less than half. The rest of the equation is playability and an unquantifiable "speaks to you" quality. Even identical models of a guitar can differ in this regards - with you preferring one and me the other.

If your guitar isn't "of one" with you, you will hate playing it no matter how good it sounds.

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Having recently retired from 30 years as a pro musician/singer/entertainer I can assure you that those flesh colored devices are not what you think. Instead, the are called ear buds and they serve as monitors so you can hear what everyone else in the band is doing and staying in time. It also provides the vocalist the ability to hear themselves in the mix of the blaring instruments. It has nothing to do with hearing ability.

Now, my hearing is shot to Hell, but instead, from being assigned to a 3-inch 50, dual antiaircraft gun while in the employ of the US Navy during the last 1950s and early 1960s. Back then, we didn't have hearing protectors - therefore we used cotton wads jammed in our ears, which didn't do the job. Despite my loss of high frequency sounds, I can still hear well enough to play music and sing. And, I can tell the difference in the quality of guitar sounds - which can be substantial. And, of course, there is a huge difference in playing ability.

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Sure could be, Mark. But oddly enough, Shure also makes a lot of the expensive flesh-colored earpieces, and they're outright proud to say how well they block out external noises. Its a selling point for them. (Good sound quality, too.(G)

"Comfortable sound isolating sleeves block up to 37 dB of ambient noise. " From Shure, who also call them earphones--not earbuds, even if you and I use that word--and "personal monitoring technology". And that's for the high end ones, with custom sleeves.

OSHA can shut a site down if the noise level exceeds 85db for any significant length of time. Where the one-man bands play? Oh heck, just put a db-meter app on any cell phone to see the good news. Fortunately, or perhaps not, OSHA rarely inspects poolside musicians or catering halls. (G)

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Not great pix but this is the scaled down cedar boat guitar. I built it with a Spanish foot type neck, red cedar body and neck, with a bird's eye maple fretboard. Easy to play and small enough to stow easily. The cedar sems to be more durable than say, white/Adk spruce and the red cedar neck has held up remarkably well. The headstock is laminated with a piece of fiddleback maple from the fiddle building scrap piece pile:-)
Smurph... Beautiful guitar... love the tone on the cedar. Have I seen this guitar on the DelCamp guitar forum before? Are you a member there? Many talented luthiers on the forum with some classic looking guitars and some with new ideas and great sounding too.

What would you compare the range of this guitar to some of your other guitars? I use my Ramirez/Contreras as the standard for all tones and frequencies against my other guitars and surprisingly the Chinese built Cordoba C5 comes up very close to the Ramirez... The Ramirez guitar shines on the trebles (bell like harmonics)... I love the acoustics and can make even a cheap guitar sound good... sometimes it's in the players hands and not the guitar. If you've been playing a long time you know what I mean.

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My hearing loss is mostly due to gunfire, diving and rock and roll music, I think. Does everyone else hear the ringing sound from a firecracker all the time?

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As an OMB entertainer, I can assure you that the vast majority of us, those that do this for a living every day of the week, every week of the year, are very conscious of our volume levels, and never crank up to ear bleed dbs of 85, not even during a wild, outdoor party. Of course, it's not really necessary if you use high quality sound systems that provide equal distribution of sound throughout the venue, such as the Bose L1 and L1 Compact systems, which I've used for many years.

Some of the older bands, those using conventional sound systems, consisting of a powered mixer and huge, heavy speakers mounted upon poles, are hampered by range and falloff problems, which is why many top sound system manufacturers are following the lead of Bose. With a conventional sound system, the speakers are usually placed to the side and forward of the band members to prevent feedback. Small, wedge shaped monitor speakers positioned on the floor in front of the band and facing toward them, are often employed so the band can hear themselves playing without generating feedback. The problem with conventional speakers is the falloff amounts to 50 percent at a forward distance of 100 feet, which is horrendous. To offset this, the bands used to crank up the volume to ear bleed levels so the patrons at the back ends of the venues could hear them at dance levels, while those poor individuals seated near the stage were getting their heads blown off.

Bose solved this problem with the introduction of their vertical array system that widened the coverage area fro 45 degrees to 210 degrees. Additionally, the falloff at 100 feet is less than 10 percent, which means if the volume is acceptable to those in the front row of the audience, those in the back row can hear it equally as well. No conventional sound system does this. Additionally, the clarity of the Bose systems is beyond belief. No distortion whatsoever from overdriving the sound system, which has a limiter that prevents over driving. This is good news for good musician/singers, and bad news for those that are only marginal in those categories. If you make a mistake, or your vocals are not up to snuff, everyone in the audience will immediately know it if you are using the Bose systems.

One last note. For those using the Bose systems, ear buds are no longer necessary. That's because you hear exactly what the audience hears, and at the same volumes. Because of their technological advances in feedback rejection, the Bose sound system is placed behind the band, and a off to the sides - not in front. Lots of things have drastically changed in the wonderful world of OMB entertainers, and I am happy to say I was there to enjoy it to the fullest.

This is my current setup, using a single Bose L1 Compact, Yamaha arranger keyboard, headset mic (designed by Garth Brooks), a system that easily covers an audience of 150 people without cranking the master volume beyond the 10-O'clock position.



This is my older system, which employed a pair of monster, powered speakers of 1,000-watts that was hard pressed to cover audiences of more than 100 people.



All the best,

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