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......Do they do it on the backs of the middle class? Of course they do, it's called capitalism and that's why we have a middle class.....
Good political rhetoric, but not at all factual. Witnessing two disparate outcomes, does not demonstrate cause and effect.

Anyway, to debate this would have nothing to do with the thread.


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It seems most things will burn, if they get to their 'ignition point.' I think that is why so many people are pro-diesel over propane or gasoline (along with other issues). If I understand right - diesel isn't as flammable.

Neither here nor there exactly, but I read about an alcohol fire Reese Palley had on his boat. The teaching moment was he pointed out a lot of people have fire extinguishers where fires might start (like near a stove), but if the fire is going, it pays to have another fire extinguisher out of the danger zone, like in the cockpit, so you can great it and go to the fire.


On another note I am always amazed how what one side says is okay (in their.. or mine mind), because they are right... regardless of facts


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The other two then asked, how did you start a flood??
A similar joke goes: It was a paper fire, started by the mortgage papers rubbing up against the insurance papers.

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It needn't be. I've seen "G10/FR" rated "Fiberglass" go through the most incredible abuse, and come out of it badly scorched, but not much else. (That Raccoon that got across the 12KV Buss Bars was just a reminder of itself; a greasy layer of singed hair on the Transformer Shed walls... and the Transformer, the Insulators, the Buss Bars... yes, Raccoons can explode.)

The FR of the "G10/FR" rating refers specifically to Fire Retardant, commonly obtained by the addition of Bromine compounds. The G10 refers to specific sets of standards for Epoxy-Impregnated Fibered Glass, standards commonly applied to Printed Circuit Boards, or anything else Electrical that needs strong Fiberglassed Insulation.
That "FR" rated Polyester Resins aren't commonly available is due to lack of demand, no matter how many hulls burn to the waterline.
But the Tech is around:
Patent US6291574 - Polyester molded articles - Google Patente

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yea, well Uniflight tired using fire retardant in there fiberglass layup, and it did not work out too well. Not saying it can't be done, but that at least it has had a failed attempt once before, so I think folks might be a bit cautious.

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yea, well Uniflight tired using fire retardant in there fiberglass layup, and it did not work out too well. Not saying it can't be done, but that at least it has had a failed attempt once before, so I think folks might be a bit cautious.
I would be interested in any more Info about Uniflite; as far as I remember, the problems weren't with the Fire Retardant properties, but with the toxicity of the original liquid Bromine compounds used at the Factory, which was why the original Bromo-Seltzer was also eventually removed from the market.
Uniflite did have a history with cosmetic blistering on their early Seventies boats, but so did many other boats from that period, fire-retardant or not. Uniflite had gone from liquid Bromine Compounds to the safer dispersed Solids, which is assumed to have led to the blistering problems. Maybe, Probably, so.

But still, that was four decades back. Materials Science marches on.

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I would be interested in any more Info about Uniflite; as far as I remember, the problems weren't with the Fire Retardant properties, but with the toxicity of the original liquid Bromine compounds used at the Factory, which was why the original Bromo-Seltzer was also eventually removed from the market.
Uniflite did have a history with cosmetic blistering on their early Seventies boats, but so did many other boats from that period, fire-retardant or not. Uniflite had gone from liquid Bromine Compounds to the safer dispersed Solids, which is assumed to have led to the blistering problems. Maybe, Probably, so.

But still, that was four decades back. Materials Science marches on.

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From my understanding it was a reaction between the fire retardant, and possibly the sizing used in the fiberglass mat. Other reports are of jsut the fire retardant leaching out into the mat. I am not sure the exact issue, and don't think I have ever read anything definitive. But I think it is more than "cosmetic" the blistering the original Valiants experience, and it happens above the water line as well even reports of cabin tops. I must admit I have not done very extensive research as I have not been considering a Valiant, though would for my next boat but that is a few years off. I have to sail the keel off my current boat first!

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