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khammett 05-12-2016 03:13 PM

The movie "All Is Lost"
 
Watching this movie "All Is Lost" right now for the first time. What a crock. Why didn't he have an EPIRB on board?

PaThomas123 05-12-2016 03:16 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
o its a great movie I liked the part when i went to the kitchen and fixed a bag of popcorn and he had an ERIRB it was under his shaving kit :)

Skipper Jer 05-12-2016 05:22 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
Its really not a bad movie....................It is a horrible movie.

Caribbeachbum 05-12-2016 05:42 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
My wife and I watched All is Lost and Gravity in the same week. We thought they were almost the same movie, except that Gravity was well done and All is Lost was poorly done. (And of course, the ending of Gravity might have been less ambiguous.)

As to All is Lost, we understood that it was not intended to be a movie about sailing, but rather about one man's struggle against increasingly powerful (and bitter) adversity.
Even so, you just don't get to make up stuff that is already known -- you gotta get the sailing right. And they could have, I think it was just more expedient to their "drama" to do it their way. A waste of brilliant actor's talent and a nice boat.

midwesterner 05-12-2016 06:36 PM

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Yeah, but this is a tough crowd. It was not meant as a sailing movie. It is like watching ER or Chicago Med with doctors and nurses, or watching Backdraft with firemen. Or, it's like watching any movie with guns, with somebody who....well...who actually knows something about guns: "That gun he's using only holds 8 rounds and he just fired it 15 times."

So for people who aren't sailors, and who don't know about EPIRBs, and who don't know that most cruising sailors have as many as 4 or 5 types of radio communications as back-up, it is probably a suspenseful movie.

I live in the Midwest and I know lots of people whose idea of boating is to take a 16 foot bass boat out on a 300 acre lake for an afternoon of fishing. When I tell them that I intend to spend much of my retirement on a sailboat on the ocean they respond as if I had said that I have a plan to swim the ninety miles from Florida to Cuba.

There is a huge number of people who have no idea what cruising sailing is all about. For them, that movie would be thrilling.

I'm also thinking about the movie director, if he had a true cruiser sailor to serve as technical advisor on he movie:

Director: "Ok, the movie script calls or the guy to be stuck at sea with no means of communication, in a situation where he is completely helpless and requiring him to rely solely on his survival skills right up until the point where he has no options left and has to give up any hope of survival".

Technical Advisor (TA): "Well, there is no way that could happen."
Director: "Well say his radio gets wet."
TA: "Well he'd use his SSB radio to alert sailor's net."
Director: "Well, let's say that gets wet too."
TA: "Well, he'd use his SAT phone."
Director: "Well, say that gets wet also, or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that's unlikely, but he'd get out his handheld back up VHF from it's waterproof box and call a passing freighter."
Director: "Ok, well, let's say that got wet or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that is really unlikely and just wouldn't happen. But he'd still have his EPIRB that he could trip and it would relay a distress call via satellite from anywhere in the world that would report his exact location to a worldwide emergency response system."
Director: "Hmmm, I didn't even know they had those. Well that really ruins the whole story. But we already bought this book and I have to make this movie. Most people probably don't know about those EBURP things. We'll just say that they don't exist or he didn't have one for some reason."


I can imagine some conversation like that.

DonScribner 05-12-2016 06:50 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
After all the stupid, obvious mistakes thatbhe made, I was SO disappointed that he survived. I mean, really, setting a fire IN your inflatable? ? ? Really!

Don L 05-12-2016 07:20 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
I liked it. But then I knew it was a movie and not a documentary.

oysterman23 05-12-2016 07:34 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by midwesterner (Post 3485594)
Yeah, but this is a tough crowd. It was not meant as a sailing movie. It is like watching ER or Chicago Med with doctors and nurses, or watching Backdraft with firemen. Or, it's like watching any movie with guns, with somebody who....well...who actually knows something about guns: "That gun he's using only holds 8 rounds and he just fired it 15 times."

So for people who aren't sailors, and who don't know about EPIRBs, and who don't know that most cruising sailors have as many as 4 or 5 types of radio communications as back-up, it is probably a suspenseful movie.

I live in the Midwest and I know lots of people whose idea of boating is to take a 16 foot bass boat out on a 300 acre lake for an afternoon of fishing. When I tell them that I intend to spend much of my retirement on a sailboat on the ocean they respond as if I had said that I have a plan to swim the ninety miles from Florida to Cuba.

There is a huge number of people who have no idea what cruising sailing is all about. For them, that movie would be thrilling.

I'm also thinking about the movie director, if he had a true cruiser sailor to serve as technical advisor on he movie:

Director: "Ok, the movie script calls or the guy to be stuck at sea with no means of communication, in a situation where he is completely helpless and requiring him to rely solely on his survival skills right up until the point where he has no options left and has to give up any hope of survival".

Technical Advisor (TA): "Well, there is no way that could happen."
Director: "Well say his radio gets wet."
TA: "Well he'd use his SSB radio to alert sailor's net."
Director: "Well, let's say that gets wet too."
TA: "Well, he'd use his SAT phone."
Director: "Well, say that gets wet also, or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that's unlikely, but he'd get out his handheld back up VHF from it's waterproof box and call a passing freighter."
Director: "Ok, well, let's say that got wet or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that is really unlikely and just wouldn't happen. But he'd still have his EPIRB that he could trip and it would relay a distress call via satellite from anywhere in the world that would report his exact location to a worldwide emergency response system."
Director: "Hmmm, I didn't even know they had those. Well that really ruins the whole story. But we already bought this book and I have to make this movie. Most people probably don't know about those EBURP things. We'll just say that they don't exist or he didn't have one for some reason."


I can imagine some conversation like that.

or its about how far a director editor tests credibility and how cavalier he can be with the sense of time established by the rest of the film....in the scene where he is sinking/drowning/ suddenly able to surface. I think credibility is tossed to the wind and we are expected to embrace the caprice of a pretentious and unseasoned editor. Fritz Lang ask something from his audience but never abused the trust!

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scratchee 05-12-2016 08:05 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by midwesterner (Post 3485594)
Technical Advisor (TA): "Well, there is no way that could happen."
Director: "Well say his radio gets wet."
TA: "Well he'd use his SSB radio to alert sailor's net."
Director: "Well, let's say that gets wet too."
TA: "Well, he'd use his SAT phone."
Director: "Well, say that gets wet also, or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that's unlikely, but he'd get out his handheld back up VHF from it's waterproof box and call a passing freighter."
Director: "Ok, well, let's say that got wet or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that is really unlikely and just wouldn't happen. But he'd still have his EPIRB that he could trip and it would relay a distress call via satellite from anywhere in the world that would report his exact location to a worldwide emergency response system."
Director: "Hmmm, I didn't even know they had those. Well that really ruins the whole story. But we already bought this book and I have to make this movie. Most people probably don't know about those EBURP things. We'll just say that they don't exist or he didn't have one for some reason."


I can imagine some conversation like that.

Or how about that movie where the guy heads out into the Alaskan wilderness without proper equipment or experience or training or research, and he dies because he didn't have any of those things. Yeah, that couldn't happen...except that it did happen and that's why they made a movie about it.

I watched this movie long after it was panned here on sailnet and elsewhere. I was pleasantly surprised that it really wasn't all that bad, in my opinion. The reason, as you said earlier in your post, was that it wasn't really a sailing movie. The boat and the water were just a backdrop for the real story, just like "Into the Wild" wasn't about the Alaskan wilderness.

Ironically, "All is Lost" would have been far worse if there had been more sailing. As it was, I'll give it a 6.5. My opinion only.

capta 05-12-2016 08:05 PM

Re: The movie "All Is Lost"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by midwesterner (Post 3485594)
Yeah, but this is a tough crowd. It was not meant as a sailing movie. It is like watching ER or Chicago Med with doctors and nurses, or watching Backdraft with firemen. Or, it's like watching any movie with guns, with somebody who....well...who actually knows something about guns: "That gun he's using only holds 8 rounds and he just fired it 15 times."

So for people who aren't sailors, and who don't know about EPIRBs, and who don't know that most cruising sailors have as many as 4 or 5 types of radio communications as back-up, it is probably a suspenseful movie.

I live in the Midwest and I know lots of people whose idea of boating is to take a 16 foot bass boat out on a 300 acre lake for an afternoon of fishing. When I tell them that I intend to spend much of my retirement on a sailboat on the ocean they respond as if I had said that I have a plan to swim the ninety miles from Florida to Cuba.

There is a huge number of people who have no idea what cruising sailing is all about. For them, that movie would be thrilling.

I'm also thinking about the movie director, if he had a true cruiser sailor to serve as technical advisor on he movie:

Director: "Ok, the movie script calls or the guy to be stuck at sea with no means of communication, in a situation where he is completely helpless and requiring him to rely solely on his survival skills right up until the point where he has no options left and has to give up any hope of survival".

Technical Advisor (TA): "Well, there is no way that could happen."
Director: "Well say his radio gets wet."
TA: "Well he'd use his SSB radio to alert sailor's net."
Director: "Well, let's say that gets wet too."
TA: "Well, he'd use his SAT phone."
Director: "Well, say that gets wet also, or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that's unlikely, but he'd get out his handheld back up VHF from it's waterproof box and call a passing freighter."
Director: "Ok, well, let's say that got wet or he doesn't have one for some reason."
TA: "Well, that is really unlikely and just wouldn't happen. But he'd still have his EPIRB that he could trip and it would relay a distress call via satellite from anywhere in the world that would report his exact location to a worldwide emergency response system."
Director: "Hmmm, I didn't even know they had those. Well that really ruins the whole story. But we already bought this book and I have to make this movie. Most people probably don't know about those EBURP things. We'll just say that they don't exist or he didn't have one for some reason."
I can imagine some conversation like that.

Golly gee, how did I ever manage a circumnavigation under sail without one single item you mentioned in your scenario?


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