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aha man, yeah I'm about 110% certain she's a schooner. Sure sails like one. The original fractional rig, or something like that. and True about a man and a boy can sail it. Or just a man. She's marconi though, not a gaff rigged one, and has plenty of power, as the foremast is equipped with (I don't know what the real name is) a very square topped sail, like you see on the race boats, or beachcats.

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Alright guys and gals, I just purchased a 40 foot schooner, and I'm looking for some advice on getting the best performance out of her. Full keel, long and shallower than most, as are a lot of schooners, for some reason. The things I've learned is that you actually get better MMG to windward by easing sheets, and sailing more off the wind than you would in a sloop, building up hull speed and keeping lots and lots of water moving down the boat. Also a little jib backwinding on tacks helps a ton with swinging the bow and keeping speed up.

I really like the fact that I can deal with all the sails by myself including reefing, without an autopilot, just by a quick de-sheeting of the sail I'm about to work on, and then balancing the other two to carry the boat while I work on the other one.

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Is she a Bruce Roberts design?
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Re: Schooner sailing tips!

Also a schooner with squares'ls on the forem'st bec'm's a tops'l sch'nr 'f 't has a fore and aft sa'ls on both m'sts.
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Is she a Bruce Roberts design?
truth be told, noone knows where the plans came from. The current running thesis is that she is a modified Tom Colvin. Perhaps an "identify this boat" thread is in order

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Also a schooner with squares'ls on the forem'st bec'm's a tops'l sch'nr 'f 't has a fore and aft sa'ls on both m'sts.
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The dictionary you are using is not correct. Some schooners have gaff rigs and some have Marconi rigs.
And some even have both!

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Re: Schooner sailing tips!

She's kinda 'Roberts Spray'ish... except for that transom but that could have been the builder.

I think most Colvin boats were generally more svelte....
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Historically schooner's were considered to require less strength and skill to sail than a sloop. Reputedly you need only a man and a boy to sail a schooner.
It is my understanding that the gaff schooner rig was developed in America to carry cargo on shorter coastal runs. They obviously sailed to windward better than the square rigged vessels and were able to sail into ports that the square rigged vessels could not.
Multiple masts (up to 7) were indeed easy to sail with a short crew, but the gaff and boom of each mast could be used to unload the cargo very efficiently in the union purchase configuration, as both boom and gaff were the same length on all but the main mast. This also allowed multiple holds for carrying varied cargoes in separate holds, unlike on a sloop. No more need for the hassle of 'first in last out' port planning.
I have sailed many schooners from the Wanderer (1893) to a modern French equal masted steel schooner (1970's) and I absolutely love the rig. It is by far my favorite rig, the most forgiving and the gaff topsail schooner is certainly the most visually pleasing, IMO. I wouldn't hesitate having a gaff schooner, were I 30 not 70!
Good luck with your schooner and I hope you enjoy her as much as I have enjoyed those I've been fortunate enough to sail. Well, all except the Morgan 60. Now there's a plastic ship that requires a crew of iron men, especially when single handing! lol.
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She's kinda 'Roberts Spray'ish... except for that transom but that could have been the builder.

I think most Colvin boats were generally more svelte....
She's not super "svelte" but she'll take down a whale watching boat should they be so silly to completely ignore right of way (as they do) and motor in front of me on a reach....

But good call, I just checked those designs out and they seem pretty close. She was built by a shipyard, so they are used to tweaking things around, but unfortunately they aren't around anymore so I can't get in contact and ask about plans.

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