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Re: Big Boys not paying their fair share?

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Actually, this whole thread has minimal value other than perhaps to stir-up 'envy'.
The 'big boys' if they want to, and many do, only have to briefly remove and relocate their boats to another state or go out beyond the 3 mile limit and document that removal by receipted purchase in that other state or by documented navigation log, etc. to establish 'removal', reenter ..... and 're-start the grace period all over again'.

Just look what happened in the Annapolis area a few years ago when Maryland proposed large personal property taxes on the 'big boys' .... they simply (briefly) left or threatened to leave the area and the local marine industry immediately began to suffer, immediately followed by the tax revenue receipts from the local 'marine and complimentary industry' taking a nose dive. The proposal was then immediately 'squashed' due to the re-projected impending gross loss of 'revenue'.
Just ask yourself why Rhode Island has such a large amount of boats and vibrantly thriving marine industry in comparison to the adjacent states where 'taxes' are seemingly becoming 'the most important product'. Its the very same reason why emigration of residents and businesses out of the entire northeast is quite rapidly increasing, and many parts of the Southeast and Mid-atlantic now increasingly speak with 'non-rhotic' 'Noo Yawk' or 'Baaaahston' accents. ;-)
That certainly is one of the downsides of 'states' rights'. When you have such disparate incentives located close to one another, and don't think about the loopholes well, you get that sort of 'playing in the margins', particularly by those that are either pre-disposed to or are used to doing that.
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Re: Big Boys not paying their fair share?

Washington State did the same thing about twenty years ago.
They imposed a 10% "Luxury Tax" on larger boat manufacturers.
The whole marine industry took a nosedive until the political critters finally rescinded it.
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Seriously, if you could use your Google-fu on Rhode Island, it would solve an ongoing discussion. I've tried, without success, but it could be me. On the other hand, I've noticed almost no documented vessels display the sticker.

I do, figuring it can't hurt. I place them at each side of the mast base, but I've never found instructions. I have 6 documented vessels surrounding me at the marina. I'm the only one with the sticker showing, although, I know two of my friends have paid for sure. I just never engaged in the discussion, with the others. I believe 99% just pay the fee and stick them in the drawer as evidence they've paid.
This study guide for an RI boating course states that documented vessels must display the validation sticker. The specific requirement is, I am sure, there somewhere -- either by statute or DEM rule.

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Documented vessels used primarily in Rhode Island must be registered with the state also. The documentation number will be used as the registration number. The vessel must display the validation decals issued by the state on each side of the vessel where most visible.
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That certainly is one of the downsides of 'states' rights'. When you have such disparate incentives located close to one another, and don't think about the loopholes well, you get that sort of 'playing in the margins', particularly by those that are either pre-disposed to or are used to doing that.
Darwin fully explained this: "survival of the fittest". Applies to economics, too.
When states no longer are 'competitive', people simply vote with their feet, etc. NYC/North Jersey area has lost about 5 million 'taxpayers' in the past decade.

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"Intentional derogatory references to big boys or the 1% are rude and will illicit response. This is not a safe space."


Guess your neighbors are ok with these types of big boys:

http://www.yachts123.com/2010/08/pol...-causes-a-row/
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Actually, no. You may have missed the question mark in the original title. I was stating the proposition as a possibility, not stating a definitive opinion. I was certainly thinking then (as now) that it is a possibility that some of the owners were deliberately or carelessly failing to pay. However, in my original post and in subsequent posts, I acknowledged other explanations are just as possible.
I didn't miss it, it's right there in my quote of the thread title. A question mark is a very small fig leaf that doesn't cover the assumption behind the title. By your logic, you'd be okay with me starting a thread titled, "Does user mstern cheat on his taxes?"
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Darwin fully explained this: "survival of the fittest". Applies to economics, too.
When states no longer are 'competitive', people simply vote with their feet, etc. NYC/North Jersey area has lost about 5 million 'taxpayers' in the past decade.
Competitive means different things to different people. I look at the Forbes rankings for 'business friendly' and the bottom half of the list is mostly the nice places to live. Hamilton would look at this and argue that it is a failure of the Federal government to regulate interstate commerce adequately.

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This study guide for an RI boating course states that documented vessels must display the validation sticker. The specific requirement is, I am sure, there somewhere -- either by statute or DEM rule.


https://www.boat-ed.com/rhodeisland/...041_700086938/
Thanks. Closest thing I've seen to date. But still haven't seen anything from the State itself and one can't expect boaters to check a random study guide.

No wonder most don't display the sticker.


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Competitive means different things to different people. I look at the Forbes rankings for 'business friendly' and the bottom half of the list is mostly the nice places to live. Hamilton would look at this and argue that it is a failure of the Federal government to regulate interstate commerce adequately.
Hamilton was federalist who advocated immense central government control.

I prefer Jefferson who countered (and was 'predominant' - for about 225 years) Hamilton by advocating a stronger representative republic - something to do with a more open, decentralized 'democracy', with the representatives of 'the people' in control of a minimal/restricted central authority. Something to do with freedom and pursuit of happiness, opportunity, and preservation of individual & property rights.

It does look like Hamilton 'won' after all, after ~225 years, huh?
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Thanks. Closest thing I've seen to date. But still haven't seen anything from the State itself and one can't expect boaters to check a random study guide.

No wonder most don't display the sticker.
Oh for crying out loud! Here is the regulation. It's not very hard to understand. Although most people would just assume that when the state gives you a sticker for your boat, the state wants you to actually stick the sticker on your boat.

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When a vessel has been documented by the U.S. Coast Guard, the vessel must follow federal laws and regulations with regards to the display of documentation numbers, and the assigned registration decals must be placed on each side of the forward half of the vessel where the decals are distinctly visible. It is acceptable for a documented vessel to place the registration decal in an area other than the hull of the vessel. For example, a window or the windshield may be used.
http://www.dem.ri.gov/pubs/regs/regs...e/boats14t.pdf
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