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"Morano was born in Washington, D.C. and raised in McLean, Virginia. He has a bachelor's degree from George Mason University in political science.[1]

He began his career working for Rush Limbaugh from 1992 to 1996.[4] After 1996, he began working for Cybercast News Service, where he was the first to publish the accusations from Swift-Boat veterans that John Kerry had allegedly exaggerated his military service record.[3]

Beginning in June 2006, Morano served as the director of communications for Senator Jim Inhofe. He was also communications director for the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee under the George W. Bush administration. In 2007, Morano produced a report listing hundreds of scientists whose work, according to Morano, questions whether global warming is caused by human activity.[3][5]

In April 2009, despite having no formal education in the field of climate science, Morano founded and became executive editor of ClimateDepot.com, a website sponsored by the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT). In November 2009, Morano was one of the first to break the Climatic Research Unit email controversy story after being contacted by Anthony Watts. The story was subsequently picked up by James Delingpole.[4] In 2016 Morano co-wrote and presented the CFACT-funded documentary Climate Hustle."
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Sad when you are making scientific judgements on the basis of cherry picking of a non scientist political operative. Thought you were more intelligent.
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climate depot.com is merely a propaganda site, not a weather site--has nothing to do with weather and passages.
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Freeman Dyson, a friend and colleague of my Father-in-Law, is the most clear headed scientist I know or have read on the subject of climate. He's not all one way or the other. He too has been accused of being paid by the oil industry, which is untrue. He agrees with the facts and disputes the unproven. Refreshing.

As for the subject of this thread, I've found New England winds to be screwy all summer. By now, we should have prevailing SW with passing cold front after cold front. Not so much.

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Dyson agrees that anthropogenic global warming exists, and has written that "[one] of the main causes of warming is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from our burning of fossil fuels such as oil and coal and natural gas."[60] However, he believes that existing simulation models of climate fail to account for some important factors, and hence the results will contain too much error to reliably predict future trends:

The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world we live in ...[60]

and, in 2009:

What has happened in the past 10 years is that the discrepancies between what's observed and what's predicted have become much stronger. It's clear now the models are wrong, but it wasn't so clear 10 years ago.[61]


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In my mind early models were clearly wrong. Simplistic and crude but this is to be expected with any paradigm shift. Multi variant analysis is required and not all variables were included. Similarly early constructs of evolution were crude and required refinement. However in both cases for reasons unrelated to scientific principles deniers persist. In both cases sufficient evidence exists to support the underlying theories as valid. Yes, human activities is effecting the weather. Yes, we yet are to know the exact details but do have sufficient evidence that it will not be benign.
Darwin had no knowledge of proteomics, epigenetics or other gene modifiers. His initial construct was crude and simplistic but his underlying principles are demonstrated as correct ultimately with each and every observation. When conflict exists further study demonstrates a variable was not included in analysis and knowledge is increased.
Lay people forget scientific knowledge is fluid and ever expanding. What was said today maybe viewed differently tomorrow as science builds on the shoulders of giants.
Many of the people denying climate change sound like those who denied relativity. Just because Newtonian physics explained the world they observed and knew they couldn't get their minds around the seemingly illogical conclusions the general theory brought them to.

For me right now I'd sure like to end this diversion and return to the question posed in the OP.

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