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Denise, there's lots of us just trolling along being entertained or enlightened. appreciating your input Never give up the ship, I learned to type ,sort of, because of SN . Like .!!
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At the risk of poking at you (not my intent) there is a big difference between fact and opinion. Somewhere in the middle is experience-based advice. Confusion is a problem. There are some very experienced engineers and technicians on SN (including DeniseO30) who give good solid advise and have louder voices steer people in a different less constructive direction. That is unfortunate.

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At the risk of poking at you (not my intent) there is a big difference between fact and opinion. Somewhere in the middle is experience-based advice. Confusion is a problem. There are some very experienced engineers and technicians on SN (including DeniseO30) who give good solid advise and have louder voices steer people in a different less constructive direction. That is unfortunate.
I agree - but the art of discernment is not entirely lost hopefully.

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The problem with the ocean is it's not the internet

I like everyone here and happily play with all but when it comes to advice and making decisions there are those I listen to very carefully and those I don't.

It's not too hard to pick.
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Some people just want their own opinions/actions validated and won't ever listen to opposing views. That's life.
And SOME people giving advise are the same and get pissed if someone asking a question pushes back on their advise instead of just accepting it as the only way.

Frequently someone posts a question as part of their research on something and responders assume they are idiots etc. based on the question or the way they typed it, but they aren't.

These are free internet forums and the advice you get has to be read sometimes in light of what one pays for it.
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I have an observation or two . . .

What is a "newbie"? Is it person perceived to know nothing because he/she has 34 posts and not 9385? Because there are folks on this board who have less than 100 posts but have been members for years. There are also people who may be very experienced and have been sailing/voyaging for decades but who are new here. To automatically assume that a post is based on ignorance is bordering on insulting.

What is wrong with a post that is simply seeking validation? I may have a well developed idea but want to test it against a wider audience before blowing a mountain of money on it. Why should I have my head ripped off because I don't particularly like your totally different (albeit also correct) solution. My post may be just finding out if others have tried my idea and found it lacking. And am I the only one who thinks that many of the "professional" opinions involve way more investment in gadgetry than the average boater wants to spend?

What reason is there to harass a member when he/has made it reasonably clear that your response is not a suitable solution/answer? If I postulate an idea/offer advice and it becomes "water under the bridge", so be it. We are all entitled to accept/reject whatever we choose.

How many posts are there on this board in which advice is given that is just plain wrong and go completely unchallenged? As far as I am concerned, too many. Those are the ones that should "have their heads ripped off". That is where the self-appointed specialists should concentrate their ire.

So my request to the "specialists": Offer your advice if you think it will help. If it doesn't appear to, move on. Anyone ignoring your advice either really doesn't need it or will pay the price for not taking it. Either way, that's not your problem. But if you know so much and are planning on withholding your knowledge, what is your purpose on this board? Just post the stuff, I'll decide its value to me.

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What is a "newbie"? Is it person perceived to know nothing because he/she has 34 posts and not 9385? ...
Someone new to sailing, not to the forum. Usually, if someone knows nothing it's either very evident or they self-identify as a newby.

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DeniseO30, you make excellent posts. Just do not ever get tricked into a back and forth exchange. Nothing is ever gained in that. Retire after your first brilliance....like I do...except for the brilliance part.
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I asked a question here awhile ago that you took the time to answer specifically, Denise. it was about putting an additional weight of a 30 lb Torqeedo on my transom in addition the the 60 lb Tohatsu.

While some people didn't think it would be a big problem, you and some others cautioned having it there all the time. And so I put in the motor mount, but I decided that I would keep the Torqeedo in the cabin unless I needed it to avoid adding additional weight.

While I'm seriously doubting that the boat will get into the water this year will all the stuff we have had to do, it was mostly your careful thought, Denise, that caused me to decide what I did.
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I'm newbie .. just joined the trawler forum.

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