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Re: Hit and runs at Marinas

Probably the best money I ever spent, at least boat-wise, was for 2 hours of tuition in manoeuvering under power when I transitioned from an outboard to inboard engined sailboat

I know people with power boats struggling to control them in the marina, to the extent where they've given up using the boat, but wouldn't dream of getting some tuition. Odd.

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My previous sailboat was hit by another sailboat when I wasn't around, and they left no note. I arrived to a mystery of green and red plastic in my cockpit. I couldn't figure it out until I saw that my stern pulpit was bent as well. Just as I came to the realization that we'd been hit, a neighbor came up and told me he and others had seen the guy hit my boat a few days before--told me there was a big crash that left my mast waving back and forth.

So I notified the marina and in a few days I got a call from the guy with the story that he was unaware he had hit me! He spent most of his time telling me how embarrassed he was in front of his girlfriend, as if I was supposed to be sympathetic. Didn't really apologize. He ended up getting a local service shop's insurance to cover my damage because he blamed the problem on some work done by them. I talked to the shop owner to get the insurance info and he said he was covering it to keep his reputation clear in the marina but couldn't see how their work caused a control problem. Now he got my sympathies.

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Re: Hit and runs at Marinas

I've only been hit once in four decades. Still, I'm glad the condo marina where I keep my boat has cameras.
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Re: Hit and runs at Marinas

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stop to think.
Some of the best advice I can think of. Almost always a few seconds to calm yourself, make sure you know EVERYTHING that is going on, and making a plan is your best response.

Running around, especially in a panic, is asking for trouble and the beginning of a cascade of failures that results in injury and greater damage.

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Several times each year someone--usually a racer--will ask me what they should buy to go faster and be more competitive. My answer is always the same: "lessons." *grin*

There are very few of us who really drive our boats to their potential. Training and practice to cut down on the time to tack will make a bigger difference than new sails or some fancy bit of electronics.

The concept applies to cruising also. Close quarters maneuvering in particular stresses many people and some coaching really helps.

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Running around, especially in a panic, is asking for trouble and the beginning of a cascade of failures that results in injury and greater damage.
Perhaps you might find it interesting that in the shipping industry, after running aground and shutting down the engine, it is advised that one "sound around". This means checking around the ship to find the depth of the water. Not just ahead or astern, but all around, as there may be deep water close aboard somewhere other than expected.
However, though this is of course and important thing to know, what it really does is slow everything down and prevent paniced actions.
In the Exxon Valdez catastrophe, the captain's error was not hitting the reef (circumstances beyond his control caused that), but his panicked attempt to back her off ripped her bottom open.
As pdqaltair said, "stop and think", but of course if one wants to sail (or live) safely, that should be something one does before commencing ANY action.
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I agree with SVauspicious regarding lessons. A few years back I needed to become proficient with jet drives. The boat I needed to operate was not a terribly large boat at 72' and was extremely maneuverable with twin jet drives and something like 1800 hp.

I'm a pretty good boat handler, but I needed about 160 hours boat handling coaching from a jet drive expert before I felt comfortable driving her. Training time was about 1/2 docking, 1/4 man overboard and 1/4 hooking up tows. In order to get the most out of the training we did much of it in the Lower Niagara River (which has class 5+ white water).

72' might seem big, but it was the smallest boat I had run in years, so size isn't relevant to this anecdote, the relevant part is, I didn't know how to handle a boat with jet drives, so I got the training I needed. A few hours is not enough IMO, if I got my first big sailboat I'd be looking for 40+ hours of coaching.

If pros don't walk onto a boat and start driving it with out coaching, why would it be appropriate for beginners?
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Capta's advice is excellent. I've seen people messed up a a slipway in wind and current and end up pushed against other boats, docks, etc. Then, with contact made, start using the throttle and gear shift hard and fast to get "out of the mess." One of the best boat handlers I know works for a marina with a difficult to approach travel lift. The yard has him drive everything to the lift because he doesn't damage boats and that saves them money. He'd advises, if everything goes bad, and you are loosing control, stop the boat. I've watched him do it. Drifting into something is much less painful than playing bumper boats at a full power. F=MA. You can't change your M, but you can get A close to zero.
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If pros don't walk onto a boat and start driving it with out coaching, why would it be appropriate for beginners?
I think the aircraft industry sets a good example. Especially commercial pilots there are training (ground and air) and check rides. @Arcb 's anecdote about jet drives is on point.

I would expand on that to include in-service training or coaching. When I have the chance to sail with another accomplished skipper I take it. We all pick up habits and some of them are bad. An objective observer can be a big help. Questions from crew help also. Generally I'm helping them to learn and grow, but sometimes questions will expose a behavior I don't realize I have. For that I am grateful.

Practice is a good idea also.

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F=MA. You can't change your M, but you can get A close to zero.
It's good to get v as small as you can as well. p = mv and F = dp/dt. F = ma only for constant m which works for boats but not for rockets. *grin*

^^ I crack myself up.
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Not to nit pick amongst nerds, but it's that rapid reduction in V upon contact, and A=dv/dt that's the rub...or crunch. Now I'm cracking myself up.
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This is why you buy insurance.

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