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Pop Yachts - brokers or scammers?

I see their listings plastered all over Ebay and at times on CL - the boats tend to be older and all are overpriced for the Florida market - in the body of each ad is a come on for people to join their brokerage to sell boats - pretty tacky .

Just curious if anyone has bought or sold a boat through them ?- they do at least provide lots of pictures
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I bought one thru them, out of state, and it was a good experience.
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Re: Pop Yachts - brokers or scammers?

I recently inquired about a boat that POP Yachts represented. The broker that contacted me had the customer skills one would usually stereotype with a used-car salesman.

In general, the broker did several things to piss-me-off. I told him that my interest in this boat or any other boat that POP Yachts represent is gone. I will not deal with them again.
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Re: Pop Yachts - brokers or scammers?

I looked at one they had listed. Broker was friendly and helpful. I ended up not purchasing the boat but I had no issues with POP Yachts
I'm guessing the experience varies from broker to broker.

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My complaint is that you have to register before you can even look at all of the photos. I'm a potential buyer and you're going to force me to register before you'll even show me what you have for sale!?! Give me a break!!! That's just stupid.

Imagine how long Walmart would have stayed in business if, when he opened the first one, Sam Walton had stood at the door with a clipboard and said, "You can't come in and look around until you let me collect some information about you." Sadly, PopYachts is not the only one that does this sort of thing. It just amazes me that there are business people out there who are so completely brain-dead that they think -- just because it's the internet -- it is okay to throw roadblocks in front of potential customers who want to get some information.
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You mean like. Mmm. Costco. ......

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You mean like. Mmm. Costco. ......
No. Not like Costco. Unless they've changed their policy in the last few years, Costco will let you come in and look around without joining. You can check prices, browse through the whole store, and so on. Only when you decide that you want to buy something are you then required to join.

If PopYachts followed that sort of policy I would have no complaints. But PopYachts won't let you browse around -- they won't let you see the pictures of the boats they have -- until you register. That is stupid. Just plain STOOOPID!
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I believe that each POP Yachts broker has the latitude to set their own policies for dealing with customers. Many salespeople feel that you have entered a series of transactions and negotiations from the minute that they pick up the phone; I'll do something for you only if you do something for me. I used to be in sales training, and I recognize the behavior.

Before I made a 5-hour car trip to see a boat, I asked the POP Yachts broker for the HIN of the vessel I was interested in. He flatly refused, explaining that he thought that I would use it to identify the seller, and cut him out of his commission. He stated that he would provide the HIN and answers to other questions that I had after I signed a contract to buy the boat. I found this unacceptable and lost interest in dealing with either him or POP Yachts.

Shortly thereafter I was contacted by another POP Yachts broker who sent me a link to where I could get a free copy of a "Carfax for boats" that had been done on that vessel. I never looked at it, because I had moved on.


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......explaining that he thought that I would use it to identify the seller, and cut him out of his commission.......
That does sound fishy. Typically, a sales contract is going to pay the broker anyway. I suppose it is possible the seller carved out anyone they source themselves. However, most brokers won't accept that term, as they are competing against their own client. Bad business.

Nevertheless, why was the HIN important to you, before you saw the boat?


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Nevertheless, why was the HIN important to you, before you saw the boat?
The broker should have asked this exact question instead of refusing to tell me until the boat was under contract. A good broker should help you to find and buy the right boat, not play games.

Here is why I wanted the HIN; a friend used to work for this manufacturer, and he owned a sistership. I recalled him telling me that there had been a manufacturing issue with the bonding of the stringers of his boat. When I told him that I was interested in looking at this boat, he explained that the issue affected the first 34 boats off the line, and was addressed by a manufacturer recall. The HIN would identify if this hull was affected by the recall.

There were a couple of other things that rubbed me the wrong way about this guy, but this issue was enough. I told him that I was no longer interested in this boat. The broker responded to that with a snippy email.

What the broker did not seem to realize is that I was able to track down the owner's name, and the HIN, from the name and home port of the boat which was clearly visible in the pictures posted to eBay.
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