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Have I been living under a rock, or has nobody been talking much about this year's race? Is nobody suing anybody this time? Are smaller foiling cats (a good thing IMO) or the less accessible venue making a difference? The race had some good momentum coming out of the last battle in '13.

I had actually planned to make the crossing in June, but those plans were skunked by the crew. Logistics were a bit tough and likely would have consumed too much of our sailing season in New England.
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From my perspective, they have gone so far away from what real sailors and cruisers sail, that there is no real connection to it anymore. They have a huge image problem, and they created it. The designs are cutting edge and rely on technology so much, in my opinion, and it is less about tactics, and the crew. Most of my friends are now more interested in the VOR than the Americas Cup. My father in law helped in designing many of the boats in the mid 70' through late 80's for the US team, now I could care less.
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From my perspective, they have gone so far away from what real sailors and cruisers sail, that there is no real connection to it anymore. They have a huge image problem, and they created it. The designs are cutting edge and rely on technology so much, in my opinion, and it is less about tactics, and the crew. Most of my friends are now more interested in the VOR than the Americas Cup. My father in law helped in designing many of the boats in the mid 70' through late 80's for the US team, now I could care less.
I felt pretty much the same way going into the last Cup. I changed my opinion, when I saw the announcing and graphics that laid out the race, like a real sporting event. Certainly, the comeback made a huge sporting difference, even if I'm no Ellison fan. Not like the days of Dennis Connor, which were the only sport to be more boring on TV than golf, despite the boats closer connection to the rest of us. I did think the last Cup was raced on boats that were too dangerous and apparently, so did they.

The VOR is an amazing race, but is ridiculously too long for the mass market. The ACC finals are just about max duration.


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I think the current AC is now more about crew compared to the past. It now takes a bit of athleticism to just keep the boat upright and moving.

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We are on our way to Bermuda in a week or so. Were in SF for the last one. If you think fewer tactics are involved, then you either haven't been paying attention or have selective bias. There were more tacking duels and lead changes in a single race last time than in the entire series event of the previous mono races. I think I read that the SF race series had more tacking and lead changes than all of the modern times AC races combined.

The athleticism to just stay on those boats exceed almost anything in today's professional sports, let alone sail and operate them. They are on extreme training programs that have been ongoing for years - sophisticated equipment, special diets, technical monitoring, etc. These athletes are certainly WAY above the level ever required to sail anywhere - particularly the fat-soaked, lard-ass, lazy AC drift races of the past (was Dennis Conner or his contemporaries ever in even moderate high school athletic shape?).

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From my perspective, they have gone so far away from what real sailors and cruisers sail, that there is no real connection to it anymore. They have a huge image problem, and they created it. The designs are cutting edge and rely on technology so much, in my opinion, and it is less about tactics, and the crew. Moest of my friends are now more interested in the VOR than the Americas Cup. My father in law helped in designing many of the boats in the mid 70' through late 80's for the US team, now I could care less.
I thought this when the American showed up one year with a catamaran against a monohull and made a farce of the AC that year.

Many racing sports such as cars are the hotbed of innovation for future use. If you want to test sailing skills tune into the Olympics where everyone has the same boat.

The old 12 meter boats are beautiful and fantastic and race in one design classes. However we're only owned and sailed by elite.

The Americas Cup now is a combo of design skill, athletic prowess, sailing and tactical skill and racing ability.
They are the pinnacle of teamwork. Times have moved forward as has the Cup racing.
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Yea, I'd rather watch the Volvo, but I also enjoy watching these high tech foiling machines. It will be TV and youtube for me, but I will watch it and do enjoy it. The foiler's are so fast that it seems to me that a lot of the race is over at the start; however, I remember some close tacking situations in SF that were pretty darn exciting. Hope there is a lot of that in Bermuda.

We help out at the Volvo when it comes to Newport so I am admittedly biased. We were there to watch a run from South America end with the 2 lead boats within a minute of each other at the finish after 6,000 miles that took my breath away. Matched boats, a crew race and an open ocean race to boot...with in port races for live spectating.

These two events are different, IMHO both are well worth following and do a lot to promote and advance this activity that we so love.
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I see they have an app, which seems can be used to watch the races live. I remember having trouble gettting to watch the races, when I was out sailing myself. I think I had to get NBC Sports app and sign up with my home cable account, or something like that. Hopefully this app works well and has the same level of graphics as the broadcast did last time.


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If you want to test sailing skills tune into the Olympics where everyone has the same boat.

The old 12 meter boats are beautiful and fantastic and race in one design classes.
Keep in mind that these AC boats are one design class with everyone having essentially the same boat. Yes, there can be tweaking differences within the design rule limits, but that was the same with the 12 meters and many other classes.

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The movie Wind comes to mind. 11.30 and on. Note 11.55.
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