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At the time, OCPN did publicly present the AC issue as one of not complying with open source licensing, and Jeff's public responses at the time differed from how Auspicious seems to remember them now.
I don't seem to remember it - I do remember. I could easily remember it wrong, or have missed something important.

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However, OCPN does at times seem to be deep into open source religion to the point of blindness.
Which was my intended point. I'm also a big fan of open source (Linux, Apache, Bind, sendmail, ...). Support of open source doesn't have to mean losing sight of practical elements. That's what good architecture and interface design are for.

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Likewise, sometimes Active Captain is its own worse enemy.
Jeff can be a difficult person. He manages to build very good capabilities and generate success with them regardless.

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On the depths side of things, an alternative may be the initiative by the IHO (the umbrella body for NOAA, UKHO and all other national hydrographic offices).
They've had a workgroup looking at crowd sourced bathymetry (CSB) for the last couple of years, and two things have come out of it:
- they are in the process of putting up a repository for CSB tracks of boats with GPS and sounder data that will be available as open data under a Creative Commons licence
- they have just produced a draft of a guidebook on logging data for CSB - you can see it and comment on it here: TeamSurv IHO Crowd Sourced Bathymetry Document
TeamSurv (which I'm involved with) has been on the IHO committee and will be acting as one of the "trusted nodes" contributing data to the IHO site - we'd be glad to have any of you join in.
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Hand. There is a paid version. Someone has ripped off a copy and put it on playstore for $10.

So much for purity 😆😆😆
Don't know what "hand" means.

The paid version is not a ripoff - it was developed and sold by the guy at the top of the OCPN org (if there is such a thing). He is the original developer. The free version is the ripoff in the sense that it is old code not being supported and doesn't contain all feature and stability additions of the paid version.

Charging for it is still "pure" and OK under the GNU licensing, as long as it fulfills particular clauses, which it does.

Other examples are the various Linux distributions, and also some games come to mind.

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I think AltaVista is a relevant metaphor in a discussion of ActiveCaptain.

In the late 90s Google overwhelmed other predecessors with fast and simple search. AltaVista tried to morph into a web portal, competing with Yahoo! who was at the time one of their biggest customers. That failed pretty badly as web portals consistently do. There is no question that Compaq and later Compaq-HP and then Yahoo! management didn't help much.

The market liked and continues to like Google. The simple interface and fast backend appeals to lots of people - the market speaks. To stretch the metaphor, Waterway Guide is like Bing - supported by a company with other equities and revenue streams. It will survive until the company decide it won't. There are lots of other search engines, just as there are other online guides (some crowdsourced and some not). ActiveCaptain, like Google, is the elephant in the room or the 800# gorilla if you prefer.
It has occurred to me recently that Google's setup of internet infrastructure, along with the size and resources of the company, puts it in an excellent position to horn in and squeeze other players out of many types of information based business. For instance, take crowdsourced review setups like Yelp or TripAdvisor, when people are already using Google Maps and Google reviews, Google Plus etc., it's a pretty short leap for Google to either squeeze out established players or simply buy them and incorporate their existing content into the Google collective.

This would also go for nautical stuff like AC if they were to decide it was a worthwhile or attractive target, IMHO.
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...The free version is the ripoff in the sense that it is old code not being supported and doesn't contain all feature and stability additions of the paid version....
Be careful what you're saying here.

The free version for Android was a rip-off, by someone who got his panties all in a knot over the thought that somebody else was "profiting" from all the "work" he did to "test" the software. (IIRC, he had done almost nothing - just another user - who promptly left when he realized that he had gotten more than he bargained for by having to support the obsolete v1 code all by himself.)

The free version of OpenCPN for Windows and Linux is very much alive, currently supported and updated. Dave and his team continue to be very responsive to user suggestions.

Actually, on Google Play Store, there is an incentive to charge a fee, because then people have to have some "skin in the game" to post reviews. Free software often gets trolled with bad reviews posted by competitors. I think that Jeff Siegel mentioned that to me once as one of the problems of offering free software on Play Store. That was a few years ago, so Google may have taken other measures to prevent trolling of free software.

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Don't know what "hand" means.
Stupid spell checker. Really annoys me. I try to write "Ha" and it produces "hand".

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Be careful what you're saying here.

The free version for Android was a rip-off,
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The context that I was responding to was the Android pay app on the Google store, so I was careful of what I was saying.

For the record, I was also not talking about any other app, any other operating system, Markj's well known penchant for ferrets in lingerie, and a host of other stuff not included in the context of the post...

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Stupid spell checker. Really annoys me. I try to write "Ha" and it produces "hand".

Ffs
good thing you didn't try to type joe because it would have added "job"
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The context that I was responding to was the Android pay app on the Google store, so I was careful of what I was saying...
Well, you can think that if you want. But you repeatedly used the term OCPN, which is the acronym associated with the Windows/Linux version. The Android version is a separate code base, and is referred to by the support team as "AOCPN". So it appeared to me that you were referring to the Windows/Linux version, and I set the record straight just in case anyone else was similarly misled.

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Well, you can think that if you want. But you repeatedly used the term OCPN, which is the acronym associated with the Windows/Linux version. The Android version is a separate code base, and is referred to by the support team as "AOCPN". So it appeared to me that you were referring to the Windows/Linux version, and I set the record straight just in case anyone else was similarly misled.

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You apparently don't understand the meaning of context, or did not pay attention to the individual postings.

BTW, the only time I used the acronym "OCPN" was in reference to the guy in that organization. I never referred to the app as such. Are you sure you even read the post?

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