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Re: Cross border sailing

Pretty sure Cape Vincent still has a reporting station.

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/pleasure-...tions/nrthn-ny

Still though, I'd call the number in the link and see if you can get signed up with the SVRS program.

You can still take your friends for a day sail on the Canadian Side provided you don't make land fall.

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Re: Cross border sailing

Canada wants you to report even if you are just crossing the line and not touching bottom on the other side.

Travellers - Reporting requirements for private boaters

Boater fine over border crossing irks Thousand Islands residents - Ottawa - CBC News
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Canada wants you to report even if you are just crossing the line and not touching bottom on the other side.

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Boater fine over border crossing irks Thousand Islands residents - Ottawa - CBC News
This is a bit of a surprise to me.

It's the very nature of sailing in a place like St Lawrence. The wind and the current come from the same direction- up river. To make any ground you need to use up the entire river on your tacks. The border runs right up the middle of the river. Even the marked navigation channel casually jaunts back and forth across the border.

I wonder if this stood up in court, or if the guy even bothered to challenge it.

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Re: Cross border sailing

My understanding of international maritime law (Law of the Sea) of which Canada is a signatory (but not he USA), is that the this gives travellers the right of Innocent Passage when transiting through the territorial waters of another state. Transiting means no stops, including no anchoring. It probably also means no fishing, which is what I suspect is really behind the second story referenced (back in 2011).

If Canada were to enforce this "New for 2016 boating season: Pre-registration of travel information” statement there would be thousands of violators each year. People on the Great Lakes routinely cross the border while in transit. It would lead to enforcement and bureaucratic mayhem if we were suddenly expected to call in every time we tack back into Canada.

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Re: Cross border sailing

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If Canada were to enforce this "New for 2016 boating season: Pre-registration of travel information” statement there would be thousands of violators each year. People on the Great Lakes routinely cross the border while in transit. It would lead to enforcement and bureaucratic mayhem if we were suddenly expected to call in every time we tack back into Canada.
Certainly makes sense, but why would they write such regulations if they don't intend to enforce them.

I think we are giving up on idea of visiting our friends by boat. The island is only a few hundred meters inside the US border. A long detour needed to get to Clayton to check in. (all other options worse) And then possible problem if we wanted to take friends sailing in the only nearby area, which is in Canada.
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If Canada were to enforce this "New for 2016 boating season: Pre-registration of travel information” statement .
It looks like the pre-registration is actually a good thing since it would let you check-in faster and avoid reading/spelling your information over the phone. You do not have to pre-register.
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Re: Cross border sailing

There must be some exceptions.

In 2013 we sailed from the American side of Lake Superior, crossed to the Canadian side at the St. Mary's River in Sault Ste. Marie, used a lock on the Canadian side, then crossed back to stay at a marina on the American side. No checking in, no paperwork.

This was standard procedure. We and our American flag were waved through the lock by Canadian officials.
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Yes, it was a funny. When one tries to come here legally it takes years of time and a lot of money. When they come in illegally, people are 'taken care of' with little effort or hassle.
Really..... This is neither funny, nor accurate.

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Re: Cross border sailing

The Tswassen-Victoria BC ferry crosses the international border twice on each crossing, as could a sailboat heading for Active Pass given the 'point' of the border line where it deviates from the 49th parallel in mid-strait.



I don't think many worry about it out here..

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