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Re: Boat buying, does anyone thing this is important?

One highly-misleading factor in rigging selection and choice of boat is "racing"...
Whether you enter a race has nothing, nada, zero, zip - to do with how efficient your boat is for SAILING.
When under sail, it's normal to adjust the shaping of the sails to make the boat sail faster, and with less heel.

With fewer sail shape controls, you get less adjustment possibility. This is not something new. Way back in the 70's, some builders were putting one (1) swivel block on each side deck for the jib lead. i.e. no track and no car -- cheaper to build and more profitable. Some customers were happy with the compromise and many others added hardware, or, bought a different brand of boat. (!)

As others have pointed out, if your goal is to get out on the water and be 'under sail' you might find that the simple boat with the most compromises is perfect for your needs.

Just do not conflate "racing" with sailing any boat to its full potential. After all, you would not remove one spark plug wire from your 6 cylinder car because you were only driving to the mall and not "racing" it.


Related subject: also beware of brokers and sell-styled experts that use the C word, cruising, to steer you toward or away from a particular boat.

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awful design... too much wind... spray looks like a bus or train seating... not very "social" not a design I would ever consider...
I completely understand your point of view!

I have a few friends who drive Chevy malibus and Ford focuses who would never even consider owning an Aston Martin.

I would never try to change their point of view.
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I completely understand your point of view!

I have a few friends who drive Chevy malibus and Ford focuses who would never even consider owning an Aston Martin.

I would never try to change their point of view.
I don't try to change anyone's point of view... I simply express my opinions based on MY experience sailing over 40,000 miles... mostly on MY boat with a few deliveries on other boats... and how I sail... and of course my experience and training as an architect.

I listen, I read, I research, and I decide for me.

YOU decide for you.
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I have a few friends who drive Chevy malibus and Ford focuses who would never even consider owning an Aston Martin.
Interesting seeing an 80000 lb boat with a 10' draft compared to an Aston Martin.

It's a nice boat but a comparison to a Newmar King Aire 45' motorhome might be more appropriate.

To compare it to a sports car, I would want something that could corner hard and accelerate like a beast out of the corners.

Even comparing it to an SUV might be a stretch. 2 helm stations, but neither one inside limits it's appropriateness for high latitude sailing. Any 4 wheeler knows if you want to head into the back country, you need a vehicle with a short turning radius, high ground clearance and systems that can be easily repaired in the field.

Calling a 67 foot Oyster better than other boats, entirely over looks planned usage. In the same way calling a King Aire better for daily commuting in New York traffic better than a Corolla would be.
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Re: Boat buying, does anyone thing this is important?

This "better than" is kind of a dumb approach to this.

First I doubt any owner of any 67' boat will "sail and maintain" it himself... He will undoubtedly need and pay crew and mechanics to do almost everything for him. But heck.... there are the 1% who have money to burn and builders who will produce these things. BTW there are virtually no slips for these monsters and not many harbors have the ability to set a mooring for one and even if they did, it would occupy so much swing space it would mean probably 8 other boats could not be moored.

OK keep your 67' yacht in Newport Ship yard... they can help you with lifting the sails... off the dock.

Really... this stuff belongs on a megayacht forum... but in actual fact these are made for chartering.. not the guy or family who like to sail on the weekend
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This "better than" is kind of a dumb approach to this.

First I doubt any owner of any 67' boat will "sail and maintain" it himself... He will undoubtedly need and pay crew and mechanics to do almost everything for him. But heck.... there are the 1% who have money to burn and builders who will produce these things. BTW there are virtually no slips for these monsters and not many harbors have the ability to set a mooring for one and even if they did, it would occupy so much swing space it would mean probably 8 other boats could not be moored.

OK keep your 67' yacht in Newport Ship yard... they can help you with lifting the sails... off the dock.

Really... this stuff belongs on a megayacht forum... but in actual fact these are made for chartering.. not the guy or family who like to sail on the weekend
We plan to sail ourselves, no crew. I will maintain what I need to, but hire out the rest. I have been a mechanic my whole life. I will choose to do far less of that in my retirement.

Anchoring space may not be the issue you think. It can't get in to those shallow anchorages where everyone else wants to be anyway, unless we end up with one of their super shoal versions which is less than 6' draft with the centerboard up.

Our last sail boat was a Mac 25. Our next will be an Oyster 625 or 675. Should I no longer come to this forum because of the type/size of the next sail boat I plan to get?
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Re: Boat buying, does anyone thing this is important?

We have 2 boats, both were well used by the previous owners. On both we have done some fairly series modification to make the boat meet OUR needs and sailing life. As we bought them they met the POs sailing style and needs.

SAFARA, for example, has crossed the Atlantic 3 times with the PO. But he must have had a healthy deck ape crew. No AP and the winches were impossible to reach from the helm and were tiny for that size boat. I sail alone or with just the Wife. There are times when we need to make long motor passages. So we NEED an AP and to be able to each winches.

So that is where the discussion should start, how are you going to use the boat? Then get a boat that has most of what you need and the capability to accept further modifications as your sailing style matures.

I hate the idea of changing boats every few years. I need to learn to love the one I'm with.

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