Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port? - SailNet Community
 6Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 16 Old 10-16-2017 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 58
Thanks: 11
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Question Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

The seller and myself have been laboring about how to do this.

On a driving distance of 4 hours and 30 minutes, one way...

I'm looking for the easiest way to go see a sailboat for sale that is on the other side of my state, what is the best approach to make it less time consuming and most cost effective for me, the buyer?

And what to do if a deal is made/the boat is acceptable?, stay and get a surveyor/pay for it then/registration?, or go home and make the arrangements by phone?

How to get it home if it can only be done by water, single handed?
Dispatch is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 Old 10-16-2017
Senior Member
 
night0wl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 1,515
Thanks: 0
Thanked 27 Times in 27 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

Depends on how much you're looking to spend.

Here's what I'd do. If you're spending play/silly money (I define that as under $15k for a BOAT), find someone local and offer to pay them a fractional boat buck ($150) and have them skype with you while they walk around the boat. Make sure the vid cams are high definition. A sailboat this cheap will inevitably have some issues that you just have to deal with...soft spots, bad hull repairs, leaks, teak needing varnishing, work out electronics...whatever. A boat like this just gets you sailing though, so if it floats and can get off the dock...>GREAT<


If you're spending over $30k, then hire a cheap surveyor that will do the work for $300. Some old retired marine guy looking for some bucks but has some decent knowledge. He'll make sure the boat wasn't sunk and refloated or will find obvious delamination or defects. Again, a boat in this price range is going to have some issues...but the owner should have some pride in ownership to keep up with her. If the boat is over 40 feet in this range, there will be serious issues or very old and worn out.

If you're spending over $50k, find a decent licensed surveyor that will be $500-800. His report will find things you likely would have found walking the boat...maybe some interesting stuff like bad wiring or shoddy repairs/work out equipment. The expectation in this price range is that you're going to get a boat that works all around decently. There may be some projects or items, but by and large it should be pretty seaworthy. Unless she's over 45 feet. A boat that big and that cheap will have bad issues.

If you're spending over $100k, find the most anal retentive detail oriented documentative freak of a surveyor and drop a full boat buck ($1000) for their services. Make sure engine oil analysis is part of the bill. Perhaps even a rigging inspection involving climbing up the mast and a rig tension meter. They'll find every semicorroded toggle or cotter ring. They'll maybe even recommend xray inspection of chainplates. He'll still miss something expensive though when you get the boat and do your first haulout.
davidpm and Scotty C-M like this.

S/V Jendai
Beneteau 343

Last edited by night0wl; 10-16-2017 at 10:28 PM.
night0wl is offline  
post #3 of 16 Old 10-17-2017 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 58
Thanks: 11
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

Quote:
Originally Posted by night0wl View Post
depends on how much you're looking to spend.

Here's what i'd do. If you're spending play/silly money (i define that as under $15k for a boat), find someone local and offer to pay them a fractional boat buck ($150) and have them skype with you while they walk around the boat. Make sure the vid cams are high definition. A sailboat this cheap will inevitably have some issues that you just have to deal with...soft spots, bad hull repairs, leaks, teak needing varnishing, work out electronics...whatever. A boat like this just gets you sailing though, so if it floats and can get off the dock...>great<


if you're spending over $30k, then hire a cheap surveyor that will do the work for $300. Some old retired marine guy looking for some bucks but has some decent knowledge. He'll make sure the boat wasn't sunk and refloated or will find obvious delamination or defects. Again, a boat in this price range is going to have some issues...but the owner should have some pride in ownership to keep up with her. If the boat is over 40 feet in this range, there will be serious issues or very old and worn out.

If you're spending over $50k, find a decent licensed surveyor that will be $500-800. His report will find things you likely would have found walking the boat...maybe some interesting stuff like bad wiring or shoddy repairs/work out equipment. The expectation in this price range is that you're going to get a boat that works all around decently. There may be some projects or items, but by and large it should be pretty seaworthy. Unless she's over 45 feet. A boat that big and that cheap will have bad issues.

If you're spending over $100k, find the most anal retentive detail oriented documentative freak of a surveyor and drop a full boat buck ($1000) for their services. Make sure engine oil analysis is part of the bill. Perhaps even a rigging inspection involving climbing up the mast and a rig tension meter. They'll find every semicorroded toggle or cotter ring. They'll maybe even recommend xray inspection of chainplates. He'll still miss something expensive though when you get the boat and do your first haulout. :d
50k...
Dispatch is offline  
 
post #4 of 16 Old 10-17-2017
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Posts: 21,046
Thanks: 82
Thanked 591 Times in 567 Posts
Rep Power: 12
   
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

First, you have to go see it for yourself. You can ask the seller to send some pictures of specifics, even ask them what wear and tear you will see. It's as much a check of their honesty, when you do go see her. Also, understand how she was used, stored, etc. The story is more important than a spot inspection.

For $50k, you'll want a qualified surveyor. If you want to take your chances, you can have them meet you at your first visit, but you'll have to pay them a minimum, if you cancel the survey.

The right way to do this is to visit yourself first, make your offer, sign a contract, then hire a surveyor and go back for the survey (mandatory that you attend the survey). If you take your chances, the seller has no obligation to sell to you yet.

4.5 hr drive isn't so bad. Leave one night after work, arrive late to an inexpensive hotel, sleep and look the next morning. Drive home. One lost day. Same for survey.

What state are we talking about and what specific boat? If the drive is that long, the single handed delivery would take days. You could hire additional crew, or even a delivery skipper. You would also have to be careful with the delivery being the shakedown cruise. Things will break or fail.

I suspect the most economical is to hire a boat trucking company, if the vessel isn't too large. They can truck anything, but over a certain length, it starts incurring special road permits and escort vehicles. The biggest hassle with trucking is having to fully strip the decks: mast, lifelines, etc. But, your new to you boat will show up on schedule, unlike a delivery on her bottom.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Jeanneau 54DS

In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair. Margaritas fix everything.
Minnewaska is offline  
post #5 of 16 Old 10-17-2017
Dirt Free
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,614
Thanks: 22
Thanked 147 Times in 142 Posts
Rep Power: 12
 
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

Read Marine Survey 101 before you see the boat.

Find a good (not always easy) surveyor and ask him to do a walk-thru and a short verbal report if he's in that area. Get him to tell you if he thinks it's worth a full survey.

I do this on occasion for long distance buyers and charge $100.00.
It may take from several hours to a full day to actually survey the boat but a good surveyor can find the"deal breakers" in very short order if those are his only instructions.
CitySlicker likes this.

The hysterical laughter you hear as you drive a way in your"new" boat ..... is the seller.
boatpoker is online now  
post #6 of 16 Old 10-17-2017
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 1,227
Thanks: 116
Thanked 50 Times in 49 Posts
Rep Power: 4
 
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

Yes that's a short drive to me, as a kid we did that almost every weekend each way, I know Dallas families went to Galveston and back for a day at the beach.

If $50k were at stake I'd do a thorough walk-through and test-drive myself, and only after that checks out, make an offer, final sale subject to a good surveyor report.
john61ct is online now  
post #7 of 16 Old 10-17-2017
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Hailey, Idaho
Posts: 168
Thanks: 2
Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

Having bought a boat that was 12 hours by car away, and still keeping it 12 hours away, I'm jealous of 4 1/2 hours

At some point you have to bite the bullet and go look at it, but ask as many questions as you can first... maybe you could persuade the seller to fill out a spreadsheet of questions from a "self survey" (I've attached an example that I built on when doing my search)... that could help you get as many questions answered as possible before you drive over there.

Unfortunately, after that yes you have to drive over, do self survey, make offer, hire surveyor, drive back for survey. But still, 4 1/2 isn't too bad (although I'm from the land of long distance drives).

As far as delivery, as pointed out nerve wracking at best to make a long passage on new to you, untested boat... I did 15 miles and still sweated it because I knew nothing about the boat beyond that it surveyed well. In that case, my recommendation would be to keep it in a slip 4 1/2 hours away for a few months, make a few trips over there with parts / supplies etc that you might need, do some maintenance and short shakedown cruises, then take a nice vacation and enjoy your delivery.

-- Bass
capta likes this.

Hailey, Idaho & Bellingham, WA
Sailing blog:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
basssears is offline  
post #8 of 16 Old 10-17-2017
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: The Bahamas
Posts: 4,138
Thanks: 3
Thanked 153 Times in 151 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

Just drive there and look at it.
I don't understand the perceived problem.

Old adage...
Americans think 100 years is a long time
Brits think 100 miles is a long distance
...or something like that...

Make it a fun thing, whether you stay with Tom Bodett or the smart shower head...
Nobody will know if you get a 1/2 gal of rocky road and order-in a big pizza. It's safe.
bigdogandy likes this.
RegisteredUser is online now  
post #9 of 16 Old 10-17-2017 Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 58
Thanks: 11
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

Thank you to everyone for all the help, I appreciate it greatly...

The boat is not even on the market, a friend knew of it in his marina.

He too lives quite a ways from that location but happened upon the owner and found out it was up for sale.

Its a 1975 Reliance 44' ketch, supposedly in turn key condition.
Dispatch is offline  
post #10 of 16 Old 10-17-2017
Senior Member
 
Faster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 19,488
Thanks: 160
Thanked 587 Times in 558 Posts
Rep Power: 17
     
Re: Guidance On Potentially Buying A Sailboat A Long Distance From Home Port?

The 'supposedly' is the problematic part... Agree with the others; a first hand look is required.

A friend shopped quite a while for his new-to-him boat and made a couple of trips (not a simple drive, $$flights to CA and later Chicago from the PNW) based on the brokers' promises that the boats were pristine and exactly matched his 'must have/wants' list. After 5 minutes aboard each of them it was clear he'd been mislead. He 'wasted' the costs of the flights, and his time, but didn't buy someone else's problems.
seabeau likes this.

Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Faster is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
J-40 for Long Distance Cruising ? ddimaui Boat Review and Purchase Forum 68 01-11-2019 02:54 PM
Where We Live: Float away in this sailboat home | Port City Daily - Port City Daily NewsReader News Feeds 0 07-12-2017 06:10 PM
Question about buying at a distance MarkSF Boat Review and Purchase Forum 6 03-28-2011 04:09 PM
Buying from a distance zerubb Boat Review and Purchase Forum 16 11-11-2010 06:35 PM
Owning a boat long/cruising from long distance? utchuckd Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 5 04-21-2010 11:39 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome