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The worst sails in the Eastern Caribbean.

Earlier I posted about one of the best sails one can do in the EC and I thought I'd put out there my thoughts about the worst sails here, in my experience, for those renting a bareboat for a pleasant vacation.
By far the worst, is the voyage from Virgin Gorda Sound to St. Martin (80 nautical miles) in normal tradewind conditions. In Christmas Winds it can be a boat breaker! Almost due east into the wind and seas with a serious north current. The only good crossings I've ever had to St Martin from the Virgins was in the dead of summer, in a flat calm, on a 50 foot cigarette, when we'd go over the St Martin or St Barths for lunch, and back before dark. Zoom, zoom!
The other shorter, but no less frustrating, trip is from Grenada to Tyrrel Bay, Carriacou. At around 30 miles, it is most often a hard beat and with the strong, normally west setting current, one can be as much as 5 or 6 miles west of Carriacou on the first tack. Most just roll up their gear and power up into Tyrrel, wishing to get the pick down and have a beverage, rather than spending another hour or more beating up, especially if one gets a late start from Grenada.
So, if you are planning a Caribbean sailing adventure, keep these in mind when you choose a base from which to depart.
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Re: The worst sails in the Eastern Caribbean.

Similar to the trek from Virgin Gorda to STM, although much tamer, is the beat up Sir Francis Drake Channel from St John to Gorda. Certainly, one can tack across the channel and layup along the way and this isn't all that long a passage. It's often nose to wind, with a ton of traffic to screw up a well thought out tack. Having done it countless times, I find myself getting it over with early in a cruise and then hopping my way back.
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Re: The worst sails in the Eastern Caribbean.

As a retired person time is not my master and I can wait for favorable conditions. I guess the people on charter just have to go regardless.

But St Vincent to St Lucia is not my favoured sail. That 5 mile stretch off the North end of St Vincent is usually rough. I bear off a little if I am beating. I always feel sorry for the small cats who hobby horse violently while making little forward progress.
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One mans sweet is anotherís poison. I done north sound to Marigot multiple times and love it.
Wait until thereís a bit of north to the wind and itís below 20k. Leave in the evening. Go to 50-60 off the wind. Trim and set the AP. Watch the stars. About a half hour out drop the Cuban yo-yos. If you end up in Marigot great if not st Bartís or Saba is just fine. Donít worry be happy. So nice. No charter boats. No rap. No loud drunks. Just the boat with a bone in her teeth.

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One mans sweet is anotherís poison. I done north sound to Marigot multiple times and love it.
Wait until thereís a bit of north to the wind and itís below 20k. Leave in the evening. Go to 50-60 off the wind. Trim and set the AP. Watch the stars. About a half hour out drop the Cuban yo-yos. If you end up in Marigot great if not st Bartís or Saba is just fine. Donít worry be happy. So nice. No charter boats. No rap. No loud drunks. Just the boat with a bone in her teeth.
How is it you end up south of Marigot when the current consistently runs north at a pretty good clip? Also, my experience with north setting currents into a northerly winds, even fairly light ones, rarely makes for a pleasant sea state. Not to say you don't love it, because surely it is, to each his own.

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Re: The worst sails in the Eastern Caribbean.

Depends on the wind. Generally investigate our choices before leaving. Donít like to pinch or pound so as long as land fall will be in daylight donít care if itís Martin or Barth. So far this trip is done after we are done with visitors and totally done with doing the Drake circuit. Maybe that sense of freedom and being aimed at something we canít see when we leave has colored our opinion. Donít like wind against wave in the Gulf Stream but donít find it unpleasant on this trip so far. Sailing back to virgin gorda is better sailing no doubt but it means weíre leaving soon for R.I.

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Re: The worst sails in the Eastern Caribbean.

Did the Grenada to PSV trip a couple of weeks ago - sailed to the western edge of the Kick'em Jenny exclusion zone, then beat up to PSV - not too bad as had flat seas and some southerly component to the wind. Heading back south i noticed that the ferries were going inside the 5 km zone - but keeping out of the inner zone.

I will be making the trip north again at the beginning of the year and may not get as lucky with the winds.

Capta - any advice on going between Ronde and the inner exclusion zone to get as much east as possible then heading up - or even going to the east of Ronde? basically motor around the north end of Grenada.
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Capta - any advice on going between Ronde and the inner exclusion zone to get as much east as possible then heading up - or even going to the east of Ronde? basically motor around the north end of Grenada.
We never power up any farther than the point we have enough wind to sail, so we rarely get east of the exclusion zone. However, we make it a rule to make all the easting we possibly can on any sail or channel crossing, even the little ones in the Grenadines. Should we get lucky enough to not need the easting we've made, we'll still maintain it until a few miles off and then ease the off for which ever point we are headed for.
I've found no hard and fast rules regarding current in the Windwards; it's often just a crap shoot. However, stronger and longer blowing east winds often produce a stronger westerly current. Though others have found Street's rules for current relating to the moon useful, we haven't.

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Re: The worst sails in the Eastern Caribbean.

I never much liked the sail from the Saints to Pointe a Pitre.

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